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Refin" It Up

Former WWE referees Brian Hebner and Jimmy Korderas and TNA and OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer dive deep into the wrestling business and it’s talent from the view of the 3rd man in the ring

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02:09:20

Preaching To The Masses

Refin" It Up ·

2023/12/06

The Pope has a long and historic career in the wrestling business. This week we all find out that Pope has one of the best wrestling minds in the business. Pope talks about working with CM Punk and also the comments Punk had about Pope in 2012. The work Pope put in to become of one the great young talent in the business was evident when he started OVW before eventually making it to the main roster of WWE. Not only did he have a great run in WWE but Pope had an iconic run in TNA as a much watch

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02:03:33

Fast Lane with Hermie Sadler

Refin" It Up ·

2023/11/29

Hermie Sadler not only has made an impact all over NASCAR history but he has also made an imprint in the wresting world as well; from helping Seth Rollins get started in wrestling to working with “The Rock” Hermie has done alot for many people. Hermie recounts his time racing go karts at a young age to driving stock cars with his brother Elliot; but he also talks about his fandom of wrestling before getting thoroughly involved with it later in life. From TNA to UWF Hermie has done a-lot in his

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01:34:48

The Motor and Machine

Refin" It Up ·

2023/11/22

Chris Sabin is one of the most decorated champions in TNA history and has done most everything there has to do in professional wrestling. As part of one the greatest tag teams of all time, Motor City Machine Guns; Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley had some phenomenal matches and feuds with teams like Beer Money and the Young Bucks (aka Generation Me in TNA.) Chris talks about how impactful Scott D’Amore was on his career; as well as being only the second person to kick out of the “3D” from Team 3D/

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01:49:53

Around The Way Girl with So Cal Val

Refin" It Up ·

2023/11/15

SoCal Val has been all over the world for wrestling and so much more. She joins the show this week and talks about her time in TNA and the immense amount of fun she had with Kurt Angle, Bobby Roode, Jay Lethal, and Sonjay Dutt. Val also talks about what she is currently doing with GAW TV, with Mickie James and Lisa Marie Varon. She has also taken to her passion hosting wrestling conventions all over the world. Listen to find out all the great stories Val has and so much more. Refin It Up

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01:48:28

Bravo Of All Trades

Refin" It Up ·

2023/11/08

John E. Bravo wears many hats in IMPACT Wresting; and this week he talks about what he has done in his career. Bravo has done almost everything in wrestling from a wrestler, to a referee, to a production supervisor, and as a manager. John E. Bravo talks about what the transition was like from a wrestler to a referee and how it was and is to run the “Go Position” in TNA/IMPACT. Finally, he talks about helping training some of the young talent coming out of the Can Am Wrestling School in Windsor,

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00:57:57

Refin Rewind: Gangrel

Refin" It Up ·

2023/11/01

One of the best wrestling minds of all time joins us this week on Refin It Up. Gangrel joins Brian and Jimmy to talk about the foundation of what went in to the character of Gangrel. We also go into depth on the formation of “The Brood,” even in its short run of 8 months got over huge with the WWE audience and is still talked about to this day. Gangrel is the current head trainer at Coastal Championship Wresting in Florida and he speaks on the school and a few of the wrestlers that he thinks

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01:32:32

Kaleb with the K

Refin" It Up ·

2023/10/25

Through the highs and lows in the wrestling business Caleb Konley has come out the other side of it stronger for making it through it. This week Caleb talks about the trials and tribulations he went through in the business; as well as some of the high moments he had as well. The passion Caleb shows for the business in one of a kind and you will hear it this week and so much more. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG @refinitup https://linktr.ee/refinitup Brian Hebner Social

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01:53:48

The Box Office

Refin" It Up ·

2023/10/18

One of the critical men from the infamous “Minivan of Love” joins the show this week. Craig Jenkins joins us this week and talks about the side of the business that most people haven’t head before. As the Head of Live Events and Ticketing for TNA Craig has a-lot of great stories from those days and so much more. Furthermore, we have a special run in by another member of the “Minivan of Love.” Listen to this weeks episode to find out who did a run in. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG

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01:32:27

Cash Chop Money

Refin" It Up ·

2023/10/11

Don’t chop believing we’ve got a special feeling that todays episode will be “Cash Money,” as we welcome Cash Flo to the show. As a former heavyweight champion in OVW Cash Flo road up and down the road for many years excelling and trying to master his craft in the wrestling business. On this episode he talks about coming up in the business in IWA Mid South and doing what he had to do to get noticed by the right people. Furthermore, Cash talks about the impact of Al Snow on his career and life as

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02:04:31

Pectacular Face Of The Place

Refin" It Up ·

2023/10/04

The face that runs the place joins us this week. “Mr. Pectacular” Jessie Godderz has been from Big Brother to TNA to OVW and all points in between. Jessie continues to be one of the best in marketing yourself; he talks about that and so much more this week on Refin It Up!!!! Refin It Up Social Media Twitter, Threads, and IG @refinitup https://linktr.ee/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy Korderas Social Media Twitter: @jimmykorderas IG: @realjimmykorderas Daniel

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01:06:29

America's Sweetheart

Refin" It Up ·

2023/09/27

As the Voice of Ohio Valley Wrestling, Bryan Kennison quickly became America’s Sweetheart after the debut of the series “Wrestlers” on Netflix. In the series we saw behind the curtain at OVW and a look into what Bryan does for OVW. On this episode of Refin It Up Bryan talks about his feelings on the new owner of OVW, Matt Jones. Bryan opened up both on this episode and on “Wrestlers.” Bryan Kennison also speaks on working for Al Snow and just how great the OVW roster is from top to bottom.

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01:49:09

Blue Mind Of Meanie

Refin" It Up ·

2023/09/20

It’s time to take a trip into the Mind of the Meanie with former WWE superstar and ECW original, The Blue Meanie. Since being trained by the great Al Snow, Meanie has been all over the country, from coast to coast doing the thing he’s always wanted to do; be a professional wrestler. From ECW to WWE and now to the wrestling podcast world Meanie has done it all and talks about how lucky he has been in his career. All this and so much more on this weeks episode Refin It Up Social Media Twitter

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01:29:31

Advocate To All

Refin" It Up ·

2023/09/13

His name is Paul Heyman and he is the advocate to many, friend to some, and legend to many. This week we celebrate the birthday of Paul Heyman by covering his historic career where he managed along the side of hall of famers and legends in the wrestling business. All this and some football talk and a fantastic musical rendition. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG @refinitup castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy Korderas Social Media Twitter:

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01:28:31

Let Me Talk Some Shop To Ya!!!

Refin" It Up ·

2023/09/06

We talk some shop this week with current IMPACT wrestling referee, Daniel Spencer. From Football to some interesting takes on the CM Punk release and yes even a great #RefinReview Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG @refinitup castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy Korderas Social Media Twitter: @jimmykorderas IG: @realjimmykorderas Daniel Spencer Social Media Twitter: @DanielSpencer IG: @DanielSpencer ringsidepodcast.com Artwork by JD Hoop

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01:56:51

Classic Stories Of Brisco

Refin" It Up ·

2023/08/30

The format is out the window this week as we welcome Gerald Brisco to the show. Its story time with Mr Brisco this week as he speaks about working with Pat Patterson, his thoughts on the Montreal Screw Job, as well as his show with JBL; who happens to suprise us by joining in the great stories throughout the show. All this and so much more this week on Refin It Up!!! Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG @refinitup castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy

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01:34:59

Italian Stallion

Refin" It Up ·

2023/08/24

Santino Marella has always been a polarizing person in wrestling for years and this week he comes on the show to talk about his career; good and bad. Winning the Intercontinental Championship in his debut match in Italy was a monumental moment for his career to that point. However, he went on to make people love and hate him doing the thing he always wanted to do. To this day he continues to spread his teachings to his students at his school, to the talent of IMPACT Wrestling and to his daughter

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01:45:33

Once Upon A Star

Refin" It Up ·

2023/08/16

Once upon a time there were two Bischoffs in the wrestling business. This week we welcome Garett Bischoff to the show. We talk about his time running around the WCW Power Plant as a kid and being introduced to some of the great wrestlers of all time like Hulk Hogan, Sting, and Ric Flair. When Garett entered the business in 2010 he was given an opportunity and he ran with it. He began as a referee in TNA and quickly became an in ring talent. The stories that Garett mentions this week are so

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01:30:29

Cafe Rene Edition

Refin" It Up ·

2023/08/09

Take a seat in the cafe as we welcome Rene Dupree to the show this week. At the age of 19 Rene made his debut in the WWE to a number of guys that attempted to make his path to success difficult. Listen as Rene talks about his feud with John Cena to some heart felt experiences that occurred in his time in WWE. Lastly, Rene speaks about what he has done after leaving WWE and what the future holds for him as well. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG

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01:58:39

They Can't Make Enough Flavors For Me

Refin" It Up ·

2023/08/02

This week we are joined by the “La Boricua Bad Ass” Tasha Steelz. As one of the best women wrestlers in the business today she talks about putting in her dues across the Northeast independent wrestling scene before making it to Ring of Honor and then finally to IMPACT Wrestling. Tasha goes into detail what it meant to her to be in the ring with Mickie James and then defeating her for the Knockouts Championship at Sacrifice in 2022. Tasha also grew up a big football fan and talks about her fandom

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02:03:23

Refin Rewind: Mike Chioda

Refin" It Up ·

2023/07/26

This week we celebrate the 57th birthday of Mike Chioda with a Refin Rewind from the show we did with Mike from March of this year. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG @refinitup castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy Korderas Social Media Twitter: @jimmykorderas IG: @realjimmykorderas Artwork by JD Hoop @JDHoop702 Music by AJ McKay ⁠⁠ajmckaycreative.com⁠⁠ Get 20% OFF + Free Shipping with promo code REFIN at MANSCAPED.com! #ad

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