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What a Hell of a Way to Dad

What a Hell of a Way to Dad

Francis and Nate bring you weekly dad chats, plotting the growth of their daughters and themselves. Episodes are interspersed with interviews with various authors and journalists. The hosts are both veterans, so also expect a lot of meandering stories

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All Episodes

45:10

The Church of Getting Your VA Disability Stolen feat....

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/07/28

Quick update for everyone: Nate is out with illness (not covid) and will return soon. In the meantime, Francis is covering down. This week, Francis speaks with Steve Beynon (@StevenBeynon) of Military dot com about a recent story he wrote in which a church set up a cult and strong armed veterans into funding it with their veterans’ benefits, helped people submit false claims in order to steal their disability funds, and much more. Read about it here:

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51:15

WhalesChat feat. Sarah B.

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2022/07/21

Quick update for everyone: Nate is out with illness (not covid) and will return soon. In the meantime, Francis is covering down. This week, Francis speaks with Sarah B. (@barnacle_btch) of the It Came From The Sea podcast (@fromtheseapod) on the topic of the Navy, being a linguist, her journey towards ocean science, and the fact that whales don’t get cancer. We hope you enjoy! We have a Patreon with bonus content dating all the way back to 2017, and $5 a month gets you three monthly bonus episodes

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46:55

Losing Your Rifle in the Butterfly Reserve feat....

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/07/14

Quick update for everyone: Nate is out with illness (not covid) and will return soon. In the meantime, Francis is covering down. It’s another military news roundup with Davis Winkie (@davis_winkie), reporter for Army Times, and we’re covering topics like ‘What happens when the Texas National Guard abandons a vehicle in the middle of a nature preserve and leaves a loaded M4 with a full-auto mod inside?’ We hope you will enjoy. We have a Patreon with bonus content dating all the way back to 2017, and

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39:26

The Military Still Performs Abortions (For Now) feat....

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/07/07

This week, Francis speaks with Task and Purpose reporter Hayley Britzky (@halbritz) about how the Dobbs decision means that the military now becomes the only abortion provider in some US states, despite the degree to which the Hyde amendment restricts the military from performing abotions in all but the direst circumstances. We have a Patreon with bonus content dating all the way back to 2017, and $5 a month gets you three monthly bonus episodes. Sign up here:

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45:42

*UNLOCKED* Autonomous Death Robots / Beer Coasters...

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2022/06/30

Due to some personal issues we weren’t able to record a new episode this week. This week’s episode is an unlocked bonus which originally appeared on our Patreon in February. Francis speaks with military tech journalist and friend of the show Kelsey Atherton (@AthertonKD) about developments in the autonomous robot realm. What if the cops were a dog that took your temperature (this exists)? What if a Blackhawk was fully remote? What if we told a robot, 'No war crimes, please'? All this and more on

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01:04:39

DadChat: On Parenthood and Honorary Unclehood

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2022/06/23

It’s a full hour of DadChat, in which Nate and Francis discuss jokes that small kids find funny, the pain of being owned by a teenager, the first time we can recall seeing our parents drunk, and much more. For this week’s bonus, Francis speaks with Steve Beynon (@StevenBeynon) of Military dot com about the recent Patriot Front mass-arrest in Idaho, the fact that a huge number of January 6 arrestees were veterans, and the issues of right-wing radicalization in the military. Get it on Patreon here:

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01:04:33

Stay Humble (When Stealing from the Army)

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/06/16

DadChat ends at 24:09! This week, Nate and Francis discuss a recent story about a Chief Warrant Officer 3 in a Special Forces support unit who got hemmed up for selling millions of dollars of government property to civilians. We discuss the ways in which we’ve experienced defrauding the military, and how to avoid capture if you’re up for a good, potential-criminally-indictable scam. Read the whole story here: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-couple-steals-government-funds-sword-weapons-parts/

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01:03:22

Navy Morale Also Sinks When It Gets Wet

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/06/09

This week, Francis and Nate discuss Memorial Day, the slow retreat of troop discounts (we think this is a positive thing), some experiential differences between life as a PAO and life as an infantryman, and–perhaps unsurprisingly–yet another story about how Navy morale is so bad that record numbers of sailors are going AWOL. Get the article here: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/sailors-deserting-navy/ For this week's bonus, the Zoo Crew assembles to discuss recent military news involving bear

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57:59

CopWatch: Law and Order Discovers Computers

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/06/02

This week, it’s something slightly different: Nate and Cynthia discuss the 22nd season of Law and Order, a show that’s definitely copaganda but has the distinct honor of also becoming a hollow shell of its former self. Gone are the glory days of Lenny Briscoe, and instead we’re met with a world in which computers can solve everything and juries convict podcasters of murder charges, because of their podcasts. Hope you enjoy! For more CopWatch and much more bonus content, check out our Patreon here:

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47:27

The Motorboating Affair (and More) feat. Davis Winkie

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2022/05/26

This week, Francis speaks with Davis Winkie of Army Times about some recent stories he’s reported on, to include a retirement ceremony where a female NCO was ‘motorboated’ by her commander. This wasn’t a spur of the moment thing, either–he’d made it very clear in advance he was going to do this. Anyway, make sure you attend SHARP training, or something. *SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT* We now have a storefront to sell the patches, buttons, and magnets that we also give out as flair for our $10 tier. Buy

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01:01:51

I’m Going to Become the Ghost in the Machine

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2022/05/19

DadChat ends at 19:01! This week, Nate and Francis discuss a recent ad put out by the U.S. Army’s psychological operations recruiting unit (should we be calling them MISO? PsyWar? We can never tell) that ascribes a hell of a lot of power to a small section of the military. If you join them, you can help inspire the next Tiananmen Square (??) but also put on Joker makeup. Fires burn backwards because it’s extra scary. No one has any idea what is going on. Read about the ad and watch the video itself

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49:10

SnipChat feat. Carey Shockey

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2022/05/12

This week, Francis speaks with Shocks about male birth control. Well, one particular part of it: getting a vasectomy. There’s been a lot of discussion about vasectomies in light of our howling fundamentalist Supreme Court motioning that it plans to allow abortion bans in America. Francis has actually had a vasectomy and discusses it with Shocks in hopes of demystifying the process. For this week’s bonus, Nate is joined by Cynthia to discuss police procedurals. Why does Cynthia like them so much

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01:05:49

*UNLOCKED* The Zoo Crew Presents: Missouri Manhood?

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2022/05/05

This week, Francis, Joe, and Carey discuss a recent proposal from slenderman freak and notably virile figure U.S. Senator Josh Hawley, who has jumped on the bandwagon blaming America's woes on the 'demonization of masculinity.' It is of course a weird fixation with no grounding in reality, but this is Francis' Senator and we feel like it's worth examining in detail. This is an unlocked bonus episode (we ran out of time this week, sorry!) and if you like it, you can get much more on the Hell of a Way

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46:49

Drones, Explained feat. Kelsey Atherton

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/04/28

This week, Francis speaks with defense journalist and subject-matter expert on drone warfare Kelsey Atherton (@athertonkd) to discuss the history of drone warfare, its current manifestations, and what new sorts of machines we can expect to see as the technology of distributed, long-distance warfare becomes more and more common. Read Kelsey’s writing on Substack here: https://athertonkd.substack.com/ *SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT* We now have a storefront to sell the patches, buttons, and magnets that we

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49:00

Changing of the Guard feat. Thomas Novelly

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2022/04/21

This week, Francis speaks to military dot com reporter Thomas Novelly about his recent article covering post-9/11 veterans’ experiences with the VFW and similar organizations. Thomas makes the point that, after his piece ran, he was inundated with email from younger veterans whose experiences had been almost all overwhelmingly negative. So, what is the future for veterans’ organizations that claim to represent veterans but are mostly very old, very white, and very conservative? Read Thomas’s piece

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57:23

Is The VFW Worth Saving? (Your Mileage May Vary)

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2022/04/14

Dadchat ends at 16:19! Nate and Francis discuss whether or not it’s a good idea to even attempt to save old veterans’ social organizations and fraternal orders. We read a very ill-advised statement from the American Legion’s commander in 2020 where he compared the Black Lives Matter protests to covid-19, discuss the idea of a hostile takeover of VFWs by antifa supersoldier vegan bodybuilder veterans, and much more. For this week’s bonus, Francis, Joe, and Carey review the recent Hulu miniseries

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57:00

It Seems Imperialism Is Always Bad feat. Adrian...

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/04/08

This week, Francis and Nate are joined by our former cohost Adrian Bonenberger (twitter.com/AdrianBonenber1), who's been reporting from Ukraine for years and recently traveled there to help evacuate his family. We speak about what he experienced there, the narratives surrounding the war, the lessons we can learn from it, and the one thing we all can agree on: Russia not doing any maintenance on its vehicles is very, very funny For bonus episodes going all the way back to 2016, sign up on Patreon at

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40:25

In Every Country a Far Right feat. Sam Asumadu

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2022/04/08

In the first episode for this week, Nate speaks with Sam Asumadu of Media Diversified (@WritersofColour) about far right in places like Ukraine, Myanmar, and the militaries of countries like the UK and US. She's currently researching an article to try and thread the needle of all these stories, and we hope you enjoy this discussion. Also: Media Diversified is currently on strike in an attempt to protest the unequal response on platforms like Twitter when users report abuse against Black people,

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55:40

Madison Cawthorn Blows Up the Spot

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/03/31

Dadchat ends at 18:39! It is the official position of the What a Hell of a Way to Die podcast that Madison Cawthorn is nowhere near cool enough to get invited to cocaine orgies. But he claims to have been, and this has touched off a lot of stupid discussion in the US. Nate and Francis discuss it, and Cawthorn in general, and an argument for why drug prohibition creates the overwhelming majority of issues around drugs. For this week’s bonus, Francis, Joe, and Carey return with a list of agony aunt

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53:12

Military News Roundup feat. Davis Winkie

What a Hell of a Way to Dad ·

2022/03/24

This week, Francis speaks with Army Times reporter Davis Winkie (@Davis_Winkie) about a number of stories he’s been working on: military vaccination news, a story about the Army ignoring domestic violence, how the military funded militias in Ukraine as early as 2014, and plans for a new rotational training center in Alaska. Read all of Davis’ bylines here: https://www.armytimes.com/author/davis.winkie/ Get access to bonus episodes dating all the way back to 2016 here:

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