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Smoke "Em If You Got "Em

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189. Mike Pesca on Newsom-Kirk and What Hell...

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2025/03/09

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by the Great Mike Pesca, one-time Jeopardy! contestant and host of news podcast The Gist, to talk about dudes and dude-related topics. They discuss men’s-only spaces and whether women’s workout wear has become hyper-sexualized (and is that a bad thing?). They also break down Gavin Newsom’s podcast debut with his guest, conservative firebrand Charlie Kirk. Good idea? Dangerous idea

13:42

188. A Very Bad Night for American Boobs

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2025/03/05

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“It was a very bad night for American boobs,” Sarah observed of the 2025 Oscars, where a conspicuous fashion trend has gone mostly unnoticed. Nancy and Sarah are on record for believing boobs are magic, so why did so many gorgeous actresses hide their tractor beams under a bushel? Could it be a sign of fashion’s increasing androgyny… or Hollywood’s increasing irrelevance? Then, Nancy goes on a multi-part rant

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187. Eli Lake Goes Through the Looking Glass on...

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2025/02/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comEli Lake is not a historian but a “journalist who loves history.” The former “Re-Education of Eli Lake” host and current Free Press contributor comes on Smoke for the second time to discuss his latest pop-history podcast, “Why We’re Obsessed with JFK Conspiracies.” As usual, Lake puts his own distinctive spin on a story that may have been told before, yes, but not this way.First, though, Nancy and Sarah have to

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186. Meghan McCain on the Vibe Shift, #MeToo, and Why...

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2025/02/21

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comYou might know Meghan McCain from her stints at FOX, The View, SiriusFM, but surely you know her as the daughter of the late Arizona senator John McCain. “Nepo baby!” McCain jokes during her podcast introduction, but McCain is much more than that. She’s a savvy media fixture who has very strong opinions about, well, everything. Nancy and Sarah like that in a gal! The three of them talk about politics, body

25:54

185. Sex and Marriage and Elon Musk

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2025/02/16

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“Would you have Elon Musk’s baby?” Sarah texted Nancy the other day, to which she responded, “Fuck no.” Thus launches the latest Smoke ‘Em debate, in which our co-host who is without child confesses she’d take some of that SpaceX sperm. Has she lost her mind, or is she merely responding to nature’s imperative? We discuss this, as well as Musk’s new babymama, Ashley St. Clair.Then it’s on to a double-dip from New

19:57

184. White Hot Splendor: The Valentine's Day Special

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2025/02/13

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah celebrate Valentine’s Day with a civil disagreement on how stupid the holiday actually is. Also: Sex trivia! The conversation ranges from how people can masturbate in an MRI to Super Bowl controversies and the greatness of Janet Malcolm. Also discussed:* All New Yorkers go to Miami?* Sarah explains women to Nancy* Gifts are not meant to be manipulations* Kanye and AI nonsense* “Swat-sticker”

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182. Emilia Pérez: The Debate!

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2025/01/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“Ready to go ten rounds?” Nancy asked Sarah, when Sarah asked her to watch Emilia Pérez, a Spanish-language musical for which there is no shortage of agitation on both the right and the left. Trans activists hate it, Ben Shapiro called it garbage, Mexican film goers are apparently asking for their money back. And yet, the movie got a whopping 13 Oscar nominations. What gives?Nancy reluctantly watched Emilia

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181. How We All Ended Up Alone

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2025/01/23

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comSarah and Nancy discuss the Atlantic story “The Anti-Social Century,” about how much of modern life is being lived in isolation. They talk about eating alone, parasocial relationships, and why Sarah feels completely nailed by the data point that “the typical female pet owner spends more time actively engaged with her pet than she spends in face-to-face contact with friends of her own species.”Also discussed:*

20:34

Noah Rothman on "How the Left Has Come to Excuse Away...

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2025/01/18

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comReading Noah Rothman’s new piece in Commentary, “A Clockwork Blue: How the Left Has Come to Excuse Away and Embrace Political Violence,” I felt as though he had written it just for me; this, because he called to account institutions and individuals who proclaim violence from the left justified, a trend I found maddening when I covered 150+ nights of violent street protests in Portland in 2020. And about that:

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179. Do NOT Get Into Neil Gaiman’s Bathtub

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2025/01/16

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah dive into the messy New York magazine cover story on literary superstar Neil Gaiman, accused of sexual assault by multiple women. The story broke over the summer in a British podcast — which Nancy and Sarah listened to, and much preferred — and they zero in on the story’s different presentations and ethical tangles. It’s a tale of celebrity, status-seeking, boundarilessness, and cruelty. But is

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178. On "Babygirl" and Female Submission

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2025/01/12

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBe warned, beloveds: Lots of sex talk here; hide the kiddies and the squeamish. Also! Due to some ghost in the machine, our last episode, “Meghan Daum on What We've Lost in the Los Angeles Wildfires,” may have included a paywall that we did not put there. It is free for all, and it’s fixed now.No worries if you haven’t seen “Babygirl,” the erotic drama wherein a tightly wound CEO with an Instagram-perfect life

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177. Meghan Daum on What We've Lost in the Los...

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2025/01/09

Essayist and Unspeakable pod host Meghan Daum joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about the worst fires ever recorded in Southern California — what it was like to learn that her house in Altadena burned down, the blame game that both sides are playing, the surreal celebrity angle, and why you don’t actually have to tweet. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

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176. Kat Rosenfield on Lively/Baldoni and the...

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2025/01/07

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“I am still waiting for my bathrobe, and until you give it to me, I am going to be forced to do this podcast in the nude,” Kat Rosenfield tells Nancy and Sarah, who really need to move on this gift they keep promising her for repeat appearances. Kat is here to discuss her recent Free Press column on Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, “a turducken of a story” about alleged misbehavior and creative control on the

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176. Best and Worst of Everything 2024

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2024/12/31

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah share their highs and lows from the year that was. Which movie did Nancy love, and Sarah despise? (Hint: It’s not the Bob Dylan movie.) Which book did Sarah love, even though Nancy finds the author “twee”? Plus, Sarah quizzes Nancy about momentous events in 2024, and Nancy mostly bombs, no cap.Also discussed:* “It’s always butter with you”* Was Joan Baez that hot?* The movie that set both Sarah

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174. Porn and the Collective Consciousness

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2024/12/18

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comIt’s the end of 2024, and Sarah and Nancy wonder if two recent media phenomena represent a paradigm shift in two areas: porn and the collective consciousness. On one side: “I’m Lily Phillips, and today I’m getting run through by a hundred guys.” On the other side: “This groundbreaking series challenges everything we think we know about communication and the human mind, inviting viewers to step into a reality

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173. The Sinister Entertainment of a CEO's Murder

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2024/12/11

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the very online experience of watching both the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the capture of the man named as his killer, Luigi Mangione. We discuss the memes, conspiracies, tasteless jokes, and crushes on the alleged shooter. Did the tragic incident offer a pressure-valve release to Americans frustrated by a limping healthcare system, or is it an inflection point for

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172. Raw-Dogging the Air with Matt Welch

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2024/12/04

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comSmoke ‘Em welcomes favorite repeat guest and self-proclaimed “absolute newspaper romantic” Matt Welch. He talks with Nancy and Sarah about whether legacy papers can ever make a comeback and how they ignore local news at their own peril, plus whether civility might be on the upswing.Also discussed:* Pink hair don’t care* How the Los Angeles Times “changed the physical landscape of the West.”* Scott Jennings joins

22:44

171. Cabinet Pick Scandals and Secret Muses

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2024/11/26

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss two recent dust-ups between men and women: One is fraught and potentially career-damaging, the other is (arguably) romantic, but also potentially legacy-damaging. Trump’s nominee to lead the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, is facing scandal that stems from a 2017 encounter at a Republican women’s convention, and the details are … confusing? Don’t really add up? Then we discuss the

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170. Can Anything Make America Healthy Again?

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2024/11/18

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comAfter a brief discussion of the Mike Tyson-Jake Paul fight, Nancy and Sarah talk about health, weight, and other confusions. The inspiration is a recent New York Times story that three-quarters of Americans are overweight or obese, a report that coincides with the rise of new gurus like Dr. Casey Means, who recently appeared on Real Time With Bill Maher to talk about how little doctors understand nutrition and

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169. Making the Trans Conversation Better with...

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2024/11/14

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“I didn’t transition to replace cis women in sports,” begins Brianna Wu, the straight-shooter who chats with Sarah and Nancy this week. “I transitioned because I wanted to get along.” Joined by Kelly Cadigan, who co-hosts their new podcast “Dollcast,” both women talk openly about the frustration of watching the trans civil rights conversation hijacked by extremists, pitting people against each other. We discuss

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