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Talking Animal Law

The UK Centre for Animal Law (A-LAW) brings you this regular podcast. We will be Talking Animal Law with campaigners, lawyers, scientists and animal welfare experts. We will also be discussing topical issues, campaigns for law reform and ethical theories about the treatment of animals with leading experts in the fields of law, ethics and science.

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42:03

The Hidden Crisis of High-Yield Animal Breeding and...

Talking Animal Law ·

2025/11/11

What happens when animals are treated as "machines" to be manipulated by law and technology? We welcome back Peter Stevenson OBE, the Chief Policy Advisor at Compassion in World Farming (CiWF) and a driving force behind major EU welfare bans. In this profound and challenging discussion, Peter dissects the hidden crisis of modern animal agriculture: the relentless pursuit of hyper-productivity through genetic selection and its alarming successor, precision breeding. Peter reveals how legal gaps, like

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53:03

Animal Personhood: Wayne Hsiung's Legal Battle Beyond...

Talking Animal Law ·

2025/10/07

In this inspiring episode, host Alison Burns sits down with Wayne Hsiung, a prominent attorney, co-founder of Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), and the force behind his new initiative, The Simple Heart. Wayne shares his remarkable journey from a top academic and lawyer to a leading animal rights activist. He explains his philosophy that law is not a fixed concept but a dynamic force shaped by social movements. This conversation explores the pivotal moments that led him to embrace direct action,

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50:02

Unpacking Justice for Animals: A Conversation with...

Talking Animal Law ·

2025/09/02

In this episode of Talking Animal Law, we're joined by Dr. Angus Nurse, Professor of Law and Environmental Justice at Anglia Ruskin University and a core member of A-Law's Wildlife Law Working Group. Dr. Nurse takes us on a journey through his career, from his early days as an investigator to becoming a leading voice in green criminology. We dive into his groundbreaking research, including the "System Set to Fail" report and his book, Cleaning Up Greenwash, to uncover why our current legal systems

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30:55

Introducing the World Moot on International Law and...

Talking Animal Law ·

2024/08/29

Ankita Shanker, founder of WMILAR kindly talks to us about her vision for the World's 1st Global Moot Competition & Moot Training Courses on Animal Rights Law. As the website explains, 'The WMILAR combines traditional aspects of International Law (including but not limited to International Human Rights Law and International Environmental Law) with contemporary issues of animal rights. It does so through a mooting competition aimed at law students, and a 2-pronged training course aimed at law

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35:39

Talking Animal Law in Scotland with Kirsty Jenkins,...

Talking Animal Law ·

2024/05/11

What is on the agenda for animal law and policy in Scotland? Guest host, Alison Burns talks to Kirsty Jenkins, Policy Officer at OneKind about their campaign to 'Stand up for pigs' centred around the use of farrowing crates, the National Good Food Nation Plan for Scotland and it's potential to drive up animal welfare standards and much more.

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52:11

Championing Cats - Talking with the Cats Protection team

Talking Animal Law ·

2024/03/28

In this episode, we speak to Stefan Blakiston Moore and Madison Rogers from the national charity, Cats Protection about their work advocating for cats in law and policy, alongside their education and welfare programmes. Drawing upon the 'Cats and Their Stats 2023' report, published by the charity, we learn about the current welfare landscape for cats and the needs and challenges faced by their keepers. We cover the rise of selective breeding and unethical importation of cats into the UK, the trend

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28:09

An interview with Claire Bass: the animal welfare...

Talking Animal Law ·

2024/02/09

In this episode we speak to Claire Bass, Senior Director of Campaigns and Public Affairs at Humane Society International-UK, who has been working in the animal protection movement for two decades, with recent significant involvement in the successful passage of the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Act. Claire outlines her New Year's wishlist for animals in 2024, from ending the cage age for farmed animals to wildlife crime and more.

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38:41

Childhood exposure to violence towards animals

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/11/29

In this episode we welcome guests, Dr Roshni Ladny and Erin Leach to explore research about the potential impact upon children of witnessing violence towards animals. We discuss this research with our guests in the context of General Comment 26 published by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child's (CRC), which implicitly recognises (as part of a broader statement about the impact upon children of the climate crisis, loss of biodiversity and exposure to pollution) the negative impact

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01:06:39

Law and veganism

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/09/27

This extended episode is co-hosted with Tamara Bedic, President of the National Lawyers Guild NYC (2022) and Chair of the NLGNYC Animal Rights Committee, and features three prominent guests talking about veganism and how it engages fundamental human rights across the UK, Germany and Italy. We hear from Dr. Jeanette Rowley and Dr. Carlo Prisco, co-editors of Law and Vegansism: International Perspectives on the Human Right to Freedom of Conscience (2022) and Ralf Muller-Amenitsch. Dr. Jeanette Rowley

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50:46

Silent Fish - capture and slaughter in commercial...

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/07/26

In this episode we discuss the capture and slaughter of fish in commercial fisheries with John Garratt, co-author of a paper with Dr Steven McCulloch 'Wild Fish Welfare in UK Commercial Sea Fisheries: Qualitative Analysis of Stakeholder Views'. This is a deep dive into fish welfare during the capture and killing processes, exploring opportunities for law reform and how measures to protect fish welfare can support other objectives.

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24:47

Forgotten fish - legal protection at the time of...

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/06/27

In this episode, we discuss the legal protection of farmed fish with Amro Hussain, Senior Public Affairs Lead at The Humane League. In particular, we focus on the protection of welfare at the time of killing and ask why current legal protections are not sufficient.

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37:25

Talking Christian Orthodoxy, animals and law

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/05/31

Dr Christina Nellist, B.Ed; Ph.D; FOCAE. Eastern Orthodox Theologian, Fellow of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics and Editor of Pan Orthodox Concern for Animals, talks about animals and theology. This episode explores how Christian theology has influenced the development of law in the Western hemisphere and how it can help us navigate some of the current dilemas about society's treatment of animals.

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59:22

Talking Animal Law and trophy hunting

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/03/08

This episode is co-hosted with Tamara Bedic, Chair of the Animal Rights Committee of the New York Guild of Lawyers (New York City division). We are talking about trophy hunting with our guests, Eduardo Goncalves, founder of the Campaign to Ban Trophy Hunting in the UK and Professor David Bilchitz, Professor of Fundamental Rights and Constitutional Law at the University of Johannesburg and Professor of Law at the University of Reading.

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29:32

Talking Animal Law and farrowing crates

Talking Animal Law ·

2023/02/22

In this episode, we talk to Dr Steven McCulloch, veterinary surgeon and expert in animal welfare about the use of farrowing crates. Dr McCulloch is the author of a recent report called Banning Farrowing Crates in the UK: Transitioning to Free Farrowing to Meet the Welfare Needs of Pigs. We discuss the use of farrowing crates and the call for a ban on animal welfare grounds.

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45:00

Animals and society in the nineteenth century Britain

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/07/22

Historian Dr Hilda Kean, former Dean of Ruskin College, Oxford, takes us back to nineteenth century Britain, as she discusses the landscape for animals around the enactment of Martin's Act 1822 (named after its sponsor, Richard Martin MP), the first national legislation intended specifically to make animal cruelty an offence. This episode contains references to animal cruelty, including cat skinning, that some people may find distressing.

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30:17

How the law can help save Asian elephants

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/06/29

In this week’s episode we talk to Duncan McNair, CEO of Save the Asian Elephants (‘STAE’) about elephants, and the impact that unethical elephant tourist attractions have on the welfare of the individual elephant and on the elephant population. Duncan discusses proposals for law reform that would see a ban on the marketing of certain tourist attractions in Asia involving elephants.

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32:56

The elephant in the court

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/05/31

Dr Joe Wills talks about a case brought by the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) on behalf of an elephant named Happy. The NhRP is seeking a writ of habeas corpus to secure Happy's freedom, so that she can be transferred to an elephant sanctuary. The case has recently been heard by New York's highest court and raises fundamental issues about legal personhood.

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42:12

Dogs: reducing attacks and promoting responsible...

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/05/25

Dr Angus Nurse is the author of a Government commissioned report: 'Investigation of measures to reduce dog attacks and promote responsible ownership amongst dog owners with dog control issues in the UK.' 2021. Dr Nurse discusses the report and its implications for dog control policy, law and enforcement.

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41:39

Cosmetics testing on animals

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/05/11

David Thomas, lawyer at Advocates for Animals and Kerry Postlewhite of Cruelty Free International, discuss the use of animals for cosmetics testing. We learn about the legal landscape and current challenges.

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28:34

The Vegan Imperative

Talking Animal Law ·

2022/04/27

David Blatte, author of 'The Vegan Imperative, Why We Must Give Up Meat and Why We Don't' talks about the book, compassion and his career as an animal law attorney.

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