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excellence, actually

Steve Magness, Brad Stulberg, & Clay Skipper

"excellence, actually" is a podcast from The Growth Equation, hosted by Steve Magness, Brad Stulberg, and Clay Skipper. Drawing on their years of working and corresponding with Olympians, coaches, executives, world-class physicians, and other elite-level achievers in their coaching practice and professional careers, they give you the mental and physical tools, practices, habits, and frameworks used by the best in the world in the pursuit of excellence. Each episode will give you concrete ideas and

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44:01

Everything You Need to Know About Managing Fatigue

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2025/10/23

For a long time, it was assumed that fatigue was a muscular phenomenon. It was thought be a set point and once you hit it, you couldn't go any further—like running into a wall. However, more recent research has showed that it's actually much more of mental phenomenon. Our brain shuts us down before our body does, in order to protect us from injury, exhaustion, or even death. (See: Tim Noakes's central governor theory and Samuele Marcora's model of fatigue, both of which we discuss in today's

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36:10

7 Lessons to Help You Unlock an Elite Competitor's...

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2025/10/16

We talk a lot on this podcast about the principles that underlie true excellence, so we’re especially excited when we see those core ideas exemplified in the real world. On today’s podcast, Steve, Brad, and Clay each pick one sports moment from this past weekend that illustrated a lesson (or three) about healthy competition, unpacking what you can learn from the Tigers and Mariners going 15 innings, A’ja Wilson’s third WNBA title, and the Chicago Marathon. All in all, we ended up with seven lessons

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45:59

How Curiosity Can Take Your Performance to the Next...

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2025/10/09

Today, we're exploring the transformative power of curiosity, which is one of the most effective tools elite performers use in high-pressure situations. We'll explain how shifting from a mindset of fear or rigid confidence to one of open curiosity can change your biology and psychology, unlocking new levels of performance—whether you’re stepping up to a heavy barbell or presenting to a boardroom. It orients the brain way from a threat-based "avoidance" mindset, and towards a challenge-embracing

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33:48

Is Self-Improvement Just Making Us More Selfish?

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2025/10/02

Is personal development and self-improvement making us better—or just more self-absorbed? In today's episode, we wade into the debate sparked by a recent New York Times article (link below) about whether the world of betterment is actually helping with personal growth, or just creating inward navel-gazing? We discuss how to think about the role of individual agency in a world of structural challenge, the pitfalls of hyper-optimization, and why nuance (and community) matter more than ever. We explore

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37:54

It's Time to Move Past Bullsh*t "Toughness"

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2025/09/25

Forget everything you’ve been told about toughness. On today's episode, we're taking on many of the macho myths that dominate sports, business, and social media. Is “pushing through the pain” just stupidity in disguise? Are Instagram’s chest-thumping “tough guys” actually the weakest of all? We'll unpack the lies we tell ourselves about grit, reveal why real resilience is nothing like what you’ve been sold, and give you the tips and strategies to build a toolkit that facilitates true toughness. If

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41:37

The Sports Psychologist Who Taught MJ and Kobe How to...

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2025/09/18

Before the 1993-1994 NBA season, coach Phil Jackson wanted to get his Chicago Bulls some help. They'd won the championship the previous year, but right before the season, Michael Jordan made a surprise retirement announcement. So Jackson called George Mumford—a meditation practitioner who was then teaching mindfulness in hospitals, clinics, and prisons—hoping he might be able to use the same techniques to help the Bulls deal with the stress of success and MJ's departure. Mumford would go on to work

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38:35

Fall Performance Syllabus: 3 Ideas to Help You Thrive

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2025/09/11

As we transition into Fall, we've got a few ideas and strategies that we're trying to implement into our lives. Today we're sharing those with you, with the hope that they might also help give you some good momentum heading into the last quarter of the year. You can think of it as your Fall Performance Syllabus. We'll break down the importance of thinking through "set and setting" when beginning a task, how to nail transitional moments of your day (and overnight) with as few energy leaks as

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38:49

How Hard Should You Be Working?

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2025/09/04

What role should work play in your life? How hard should you be working? And how can you do it in a way that's sustainable over years, or even decades? These aren't simple questions to answer, even if both the "grind like crazy while you're young to get ahead" and the "find your bliss" sets tell you that they are. Today, we've enlisted the help of Cal Newport to discuss healthy ways to think about how hard, meaningful work might fit into your life. You'll learn the difference between hard work and

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42:30

How "Narrative Values" Can Change Your Psychology &...

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2025/08/28

The stories we tell ourselves shape our reality, heavily influencing our decision-making, behavior, and ability to bounce back from challenges. Which is why it's important to identify the "narrative values" that help frame the story of your life. These are the words that will impact how we show up in the world, and how we interpret what happens to us, affecting both our psychological and biological responses. Today, we discuss simple ways to identify the narrative values that are most important to

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41:28

From Success to Mastery: The Art of Sustained Excellence

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2025/08/21

We spend a lot of time on this podcast talking about how to achieve success in your own personal pursuit of excellence, but we don't spend all that much time talking about what happens after that: how do you sustain it?That's the question facing Cooper Lutkenhaus, a 16-year-old who recently ran a blazing 1:42 in the 800-meter race at the USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships, who provides the launching pad for today's discussion. But it's a question relevant to any of us, whether you've already

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36:45

Build Better Work Habits, Manage Anxiety, & Quit...

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2025/08/14

Since we launched "excellence, actually," we've gotten a bunch of questions from listeners and members of The Growth Equation Academy. So today we're answering four of your most pressing questions. (1) Where is the line between productive preparation and preparation that is done purely to curb anxiety about an upcoming event? (2) How should we transition between important tasks or deep work periods without leaking energy or focus? (3) How to turn down an overactive mind-body threat or alarm system

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37:46

Restless Exhaustion: What to Do When You Just Can't...

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2025/08/07

It's the end of the day and you're finally ready to shut down, unplug from work, relax, or go to sleep—except your mind won't stop racing. You're wiped, but your brain and body are still vibrating. Maybe this doesn't just happen at the end of the day, but during breaks throughout it, or maybe you notice it when you've finally gotten to the weekend or a vacation and still can't turn off. This is restless exhaustion, and it seems to be the status quo of our modern world. It's a disconnect between your

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43:14

Tools for Navigating Discomfort and Difficulty

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2025/07/31

At some point, we will all face discomfort, be it psychological or physical, at work or in a workout. But we do often get to choose how to handle that difficulty: Can we work through it? And if so, how? Or is it a case where figuring it actually makes it worse? If we can’t work through it, can we continue to perform at a high level despite the discomfort? Today’s episode is all about giving you the most effective, time-tested tools we’ve come across to help you answer those questions. We discuss how

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38:20

How to Avoid the Achievement Trap and Find Lasting...

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2025/07/24

Just about everyone has been caught thinking that some big achievement would fulfill them—only to get there and realize it didn't. This is the Achievement Trap, and it's so sticky that even those who are well-versed in its trickery still find themselves following into its clutches. But there's another way, one that was exemplified by golf's #1 ranked player Scottie Scheffler during a recent press conference that went viral. It involves a different type of fulfillment, one that we explore in depth on

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32:42

The Art of Doing Hard Things: Meaningful Challenge...

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2025/07/17

We believe it's important to do hard things. In fact, as your may know, Steve wrote a book with that very title. But there's a difference between taking on challenges that lead to meaningful growth, and meaningless suffering for likes and validation. That difference is often lost in the performative world of social media. Today's episode is about giving you the skills to build true resilience. We differentiate between purposeful and purposeless difficulty, discuss whether or not the "comfort crisis"

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43:58

Balance is a Myth: How to Build Healthy Obsession

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2025/07/10

Today, we're taking exception with a couple ideas you often see passed around in the health and wellness space: that balance is achievable (or even desirable), and that obsession is unhealthy. To be truly excellent in a pursuit, it's going to require a level of hyper fixation or single-mindedness that is often maligned, and that will draw energy from other areas in your life. The key is to build systems into your life that keep your constructive or productive obsession from becoming destructive. We

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40:51

How to Build a Meaningful Identity in a Status-Driven...

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2025/07/03

Here's a phrase we often come across: “Comparison is the thief of joy.” This is absolutely true! Unfortunately, we’re biologically wired to seek status and recognition, and with that evolutionary need comes comparison. It’s inevitable.So today, instead of telling you not to compare, we’re giving you the practical tools that will allow you to do it in a healthy way. You’ll learn about the game-changing distinction between being known versus being recognized that could transform how you think about

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47:35

How to Be Excellent, Actually

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2025/06/26

On the inaugural episode of our rebranded podcast "excellence, actually," Steve Magness, Brad Stulberg, and Clay Skipper discuss the rebrand of the show (previously FAREWELL), define what they mean by excellence, and show how it's available to all of us—starting with three counter-intuitive but significant mindset shifts that will help you in the pursuits that matter to you most, and that make you into the person you want to be. Not to be confused with the performative nonsense that is peddled

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47:59

How to Take Better Breaks: Mastering Rest & Recovery

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2025/06/19

We all know we need to take breaks to allow ourselves to rest and recover, both physically and cognitively. But it can be especially hard to do when we feel like we need to keep pushing. So today, we're tackling that problem: What would it look like to design our days around sustainable rhythms rather than maximum output—and how do we do this while still meeting real-world demands? We talk about how to deal with the anxiety and guilty that can come with taking a break (and feeling behind); give you

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48:41

How to Know When to Grit vs. When to Quit

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2025/06/12

How do you know when to persevere through a rough patch—and when to give up entirely? And if you do decide to push through, what are the most effective tools to bolster your resilience and get you through to the other side? That's what we're breaking down on today's episode. We'll help you recognize when to continue striving despite setbacks and when it's wiser to avoid the sunk cost fallacy, stop, and pivot. Plus: we'll get into what we get wrong about quitting in today's world more generally

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