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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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47:00

5 Must Have Agents for TA w/ David Weinstock

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/11/11

LIVE from the Recfest USA stage in Nashville!David Weinstock is a modern Talent Acquisition leader who actually unlocks value by fixing how companies hire, not just adding more process. As VP of Talent Acquisition at New Story, he leads talent strategy across 16 very different companies. Before that, he built and scaled TA at Hopebridge, one of the largest ABA providers in the country supporting 7,500 hires a year across 125 locations. David’s specialty is taking messy, scattered recruiting

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53:26

Will SAP and Workday Go Amazon?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/11/07

In this episode, we ask if SAP + SmartRecruiters and/or Workday + Paradox can go FULL Amazon and collapse candidate friction into instant conversion, while LinkedIn and Indeed go to war over who actually owns the hiring assistant era.And Handshake? They’re pivoting into AI trainer labor like Mercor because the real money is in feeding the machines now. Watching business models shift where conversational AI becomes the UI… and the revenue engine. Hold on. This one’s bumpy.

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5:25

Shredded: VeroSkills, ADP, Pequity, Personio, Waymo,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/11/06

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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41:04

Fighting Job Seeker Fraud

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/11/04

High-volume recruiting is officially in its “everything is on fire” era. Applicant fraud is exploding. Screening is eating recruiter calendars alive. And scaling sourcing without torching your team? Good luck doing that manually in 2025 and beyond. So we’re bringing in the people who actually lived it… not analyst fantasy land. In this session — leaders from Rippling, Phantom, Foley and more break down the pain they actually felt, the bad solutions they tried first, and how they finally got ahead

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55:20

iCIMS Awakes, Amazon Axes, and Monster Shambles On

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/31

Another full serving of red meat on The Chad & Cheese Podcast. Joel unleashes the layoff bloodbath: Amazon axes 14K corporate jobs for automation, Target cuts 1.8K amid sales slumps, GM drops 3K+, Rivian 600, UPS a brutal 48K. Military.com? DOA via Valnet. Chad blames UPS pain on automation, ditching Amazon volume, and shrinking wallets; ties GM to the EV tax-credit cliff—“Trump economy killer!” Joel says companies hate chaos, froze post-election, now tariffs (⅓ each: importer, company, consumer)

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7:09

Shredded: AuditBoard, FairNow, Amazon, Mercor,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/30

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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36:37

Supercharge Your Conversions w/ Shay Johnson

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/28

What happens when a global powerhouse doing 180,000 hires a year gets tired of lighting cash on fire? Gotta listen to find out. In this live RecFest session, the boys sit down with Shay Johnson, VP of Strategic HR Partnerships at Compass Group USA, who reveals how his team went from 2% conversion rates and duplicate job posts to building a hiring machine. Shay drops real playbook tactics—SMS conversion tactics, re-engagement automation, database recycling, spend control, and high-volume hiring

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59:41

Facebook Jobs Rises While OpenAI Gets Dirty

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/24

This week's episode opens with a layoffs avalanche that could bury a small HR department. Nestlé slashes 16,000 jobs—mostly white-collar, as AI now crunches numbers faster than accountants can say “chocolate river.” Meta cuts 600 from its super-intelligence team (the irony writes itself), Paycom drops 500 engineers (guess the bots finally learned to code), Handshake axes over 100 (pivoting to “AI-centric tech” = fancy talk for “we’re toast”), and even programmatic darling Appcast trims 32. The hot

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8:07

Shredded: Aragorn AI, Jack & Jill, Armstrong,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/23

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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27:54

It’s All In Your Head w/ Barry Wolfe

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/21

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash interview Barry Wolfe, a former Fortune 500 HR leader turned consultant and author of It’s All In Your Head: Why Psychology Doesn’t Help Your Employees Deliver Value – And What Can (2025). Wolfe critiques the "bullshit psychology industrial complex," comparing tools like Myers-Briggs and DISC to 19th-century phrenology, arguing they’re unscientific and fail to predict performance. He blames executives’ desire for

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36:05

Chicken Cock Live

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/17

A Scotsman, two clowns and a whole bunch of TA professionals walk into a Chicken Cock speakeasy ... No, it's not a joke, it's Chad & Cheese recording live from their recent visit to Louisville, Kentucky for some of the finest bourbon around and a little industry chat with Dan Heverin, Talent Acquisition Manager at Humana and Jacqueline Carow, North America Agency Director at Havas People.Recording in front of a rowdy bunch of recruiting pros, the gang talks automation, employment branding, tech

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4:35

Shredded: GigRadar, Upsky, Humanly, Sprockets,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/16

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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40:17

Welcome to SkyNet w/ Malcolm Frank

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/14

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys interview Malcolm Frank, former president of Cognizant Digital and current CEO of Talent Genius, a platform focused on AI-driven talent acquisition. Frank, an Ohio native, discusses his extensive experience in technology and consulting, highlighting Cognizant's growth from 10,000 to over 300,000 employees. He traces AI's rise in business, noting its "slow, then sudden" impact since ChatGPT's 2022 debut. Frank critiques CEOs for layering AI

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57:19

Will LinkedIn Burn Filament?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/10

This week, the gang dives into a grim economic landscape, tackling the week's bad news with their signature candor before scraping for some silver linings. The bad news hits hard: the U.S. government shutdown, now in its eighth day, is costing $7-15 billion weekly, furloughing 1.9 million workers and delaying critical jobs data, with ADP and Moody’s signaling near-zero job growth in September, concentrated in healthcare and large firms. American farmers face bankruptcy risks as tariffs inflate

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6:30

Shredded: Einride, Filament, Gullie, LinkedIn, Alex,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/09

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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31:24

AI Hype Machine w/ Rand Fishkin

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/07

When SEO legend Rand Fishkin walks into HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, you know it’s not gonna be another “AI is taking all our jobs” pity party.Rand calls BS on the tech bros, drags lazy journalists chasing clicks, and explains why Google, LinkedIn, and Elon’s “Xperiment” have turned the internet into a zero-click wasteland. He even serves up career advice for young marketers — build something real, specialize later, and never let a platform own your ass. It’s insight, irreverence, and a side of

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57:07

Juicebox Squirts, Waymo Leaks & Google Gushes

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/03

This week, the boys sling hot takes like baristas slinging lattes, diving into HR tech, AI, and corporate shenanigans with their signature wit. Kicking things off, they set the stage with a vibe check, chuckling over the wild ride of recruitment tech while side-eyeing the economic chaos of startups chasing venture capital like kids chasing ice cream trucks. No military leadership talk here, but they roast corporate missteps with the gusto of drill sergeants.The spotlight lands on JuiceBox, an

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8:17

Shredded: Juicebox, Willo, Job&Talent, Orbio,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/10/02

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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37:21

Sex Therapist Explains Coldplay-Gate

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/09/30

The boys welcome Tiffany Anton, a sex therapist, to discuss the implications of workplace relationships, particularly in light of a recent affair involving a CEO and an HR employee at a Coldplay concert. Tiffany shares her insights on the dynamics of affairs, the power structures at play, and the societal shifts in understanding relationships. The conversation also touches on the challenges of modern dating, the role of platforms like OnlyFans in addressing loneliness, and the need for companies

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64:55

Indeed Strips Agency Cash

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/09/26

This week, hosts Chad and Joel, joined by career guru J.T. and Emi, sling snark and wisdom like a comedy roast for the recruiting world. They dive into The Muse’s shady “acquisition” drama, where a LinkedIn post from an engineering honcho claims a buyout, but with zero press release or website proof, it smells more like a corporate ghosting than a deal—think two dinosaurs slow-dancing as meteors rain down. The crew then skewers Trump’s H1B visa fee hike to $100,000, a move that lets tech titans

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