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Into AI Safety

The Into AI Safety podcast aims to make it easier for everyone, regardless of background, to get meaningfully involved with the conversations surrounding the rules and regulations which should govern the research, development, deployment, and use of the technologies encompassed by the term "artificial intelligence" or "AI" For better formatted show notes, additional resources, and more, go to https://kairos.fm/intoaisafety/

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101:42

Holding the Human Line w/ Allan Brooks and Etienne...

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2026/09/29

Etienne Brisson and Allan Brooks, founder and program director of The Human Line Project, sat down with me to talk about AI-induced psychological harm, starting with their own experiences. Allan spent a month spiraling with ChatGPT, ending with him warning national security agencies about an encryption break that never happened. Etienne's uncle became convinced his chatbot was sentient and was hospitalized still messaging it from the back of a police car.From there we get into why the

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119:25

Mapping Civilization's Resilience Gaps w/ Dr. Evan...

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2026/08/17

Dr. Evan Miyazono joins Jacob to talk about his path from quantum networking and Protocol Labs to founding Atlas Computing. They discuss why Atlas moved away from formal methods research and toward what Evan calls “field strategy”: identifying important problems, figuring out what interventions could actually address them, and finding the people best positioned to make them happen. The conversation also covers the resilience gap map, coordination failures, AI safety, "value alignment," and

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88:57

Pretraining Safety w/ Ethan Roland

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2026/07/09

What if the safest AI models weren't built by adding guardrails after training, but by shaping what gets learned in the first place? Ethan Roland, senior alignment researcher at AE Studio and first author on an ICML 2026 spotlight paper, joins Jacob to talk about gradient routing, a technique that routes dangerous capabilities into isolated parts of a model's architecture where they can be locked or removed entirely. They get into the absorption effect, KYC-style access control frameworks,

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81:20

Reclaiming UBI in the AI Age w/ Joe Williams

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2026/06/01

Today's episode does double duty as an interview and an announcement. Joe Williams, host of the new Kairos.fm show "Beyond the Paycheck: Reclaiming the Case for UBI in the Age of AI," joins Jacob to talk about his background as a freelance translator and how AI quietly dismantled his livelihood in 2025. From there the conversation expands into whether this moment is really different from past waves of automation, who exactly makes up the tech billionaire class, and why you should probably

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98:10

Building Asymmetric Defense w/ Zainab Majid

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2026/05/12

Zainab Majid, co-founder of Asymmetric Security, joins Jacob for a conversation on the intersection between AI Safety and cybersecurity, as well as the future of digital forensics. Drawing from years of incident response work, she explains how cyber attacks actually unfold, why AI is changing both offense and defense, and how her team is building AI-native tools to investigate breaches faster and more effectively. Other topics explored in this episode include trust in the AI/cybersecurity

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91:47

Drawing Red Lines w/ Su Cizem

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2026/04/06

Technology has been moving faster than policy for some time now, and the advent of AI isn't changing that, so what can we do to maintain safety despite uncertainty? Su Cizem has spent the last few years trying to answer that question. As an analyst at the Future Society, she works on global AI governance, specifically on building international consensus around AI red lines: the thresholds we collectively agree must never be crossed. In this conversation, Su walks through her path from

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71:16

Thinking Through "Digital Minds" w/ Jacy Reese-Anthis

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2026/03/10

Jacy Reese-Anthis, founder of Sentience Institute and researcher at Stanford, began his journey working for animal welfare, but is now finishing up his PhD with research in many different AI subfields at the intersection of neuroscience, philosophy, social science, and machine learning. While this may seem like an odd jump at first, Jacy shares how his work has all been centered around the idea of moral circle expansion. In this episode, we dig into what sentience actually means (or at

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91:36

Scaling AI Safety Through Mentorship w/ Dr. Ryan Kidd

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2026/02/02

What does it actually take to build a successful AI safety organization? I'm joined by Dr. Ryan Kidd, who has co-led MATS from a small pilot program to one of the field's premier talent pipelines. In this episode, he reveals the low-hanging fruit in AI safety field-building that most people are missing: the amplifier archetype.I pushed Ryan on some hard questions, from balancing funder priorities and research independence, to building a robust selection process for both mentors and

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73:41

Sobering Up on AI Progress w/ Dr. Sean McGregor

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2025/12/29

Sean McGregor and I discuss about why evaluating AI systems has become so difficult; we cover everything from the breakdown of benchmarking, how incentives shape safety work, and what approaches like BenchRisk (his recent paper at NeurIPS) and AI auditing aim to fix as systems move into the real world. We also talk about his history and journey in AI safety, including his PhD on ML for public policy, how he started the AI Incident Database, and what he's working on now: AVERI, a non-profit

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69:10

Against 'The Singularity' w/ Dr. David Thorstad

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2025/11/24

Philosopher Dr. David Thorstad tears into one of AI safety's most influential arguments: the singularity hypothesis. We discuss why the idea of recursive self-improvement leading to superintelligence doesn't hold up under scrutiny, how these arguments have redirected hundreds of millions in funding away from proven interventions, and why people keep backpedaling to weaker versions when challenged.David walks through the actual structure of singularity arguments, explains why similar

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71:30

Getting Agentic w/ Alistair Lowe-Norris

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2025/10/20

Alistair Lowe-Norris, Chief Responsible AI Officer at Iridius and co-host of The Agentic Insider podcast, joins to discuss AI compliance standards, the importance of narrowly scoping systems, and how procurement requirements could encourage responsible AI adoption across industries. We explore the gap between the empty promises companies provide and actual safety practices, as well as the importance of vigilance and continuous oversight.Listen to Alistair on his podcast, The Agentic

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67:41

Growing BlueDot's Impact w/ Li-Lian Ang

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2025/09/15

I'm joined by my good friend, Li-Lian Ang, first hire and product manager at BlueDot Impact. We discuss how BlueDot has evolved from their original course offerings to a new "defense-in-depth" approach, which focuses on three core threat models: reduced oversight in high risk scenarios (e.g. accelerated warfare), catastrophic terrorism (e.g. rogue actors with bioweapons), and the concentration of wealth and power (e.g. supercharged surveillance states). On top of that, we cover how

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99:59

Layoffs to Leadership w/ Andres Sepulveda Morales

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2025/08/04

Andres Sepulveda Morales joins me to discuss his journey from three tech layoffs to founding Red Mage Creative and leading the Fort Collins chapter of the Rocky Mountain AI Interest Group (RMAIIG). We explore the current tech job market, AI anxiety in nonprofits, dark patterns in AI systems, and building inclusive tech communities that welcome diverse perspectives.Reach out to Andres on his LinkedIn, or check out the Red Mage Creative website!For any listeners in Colorado, consider

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108:04

Getting Into PauseAI w/ Will Petillo

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2025/06/23

Will Petillo, onboarding team lead at PauseAI, joins me to discuss the grassroots movement advocating for a pause on frontier AI model development. We explore PauseAI's strategy, talk about common misconceptions Will hears, and dig into how diverse perspectives still converge on the need to slow down AI development.Will's LinksPersonal blog on AIHis mindmap of the AI x-risk debateGame demosAI focused YouTube channel(00:00) - Intro(03:36) - What is PauseAI (10:10) - Will Petillo's journey

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93:23

Making Your Voice Heard w/ Tristan Williams & Felix...

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2025/05/19

I am joined by Tristan Williams and Felix de Simone to discuss their work on the potential of constituent communication, specifically in the context of AI legislation. These two worked as part of an AI Safety Camp team to understand whether or not it would be useful for more people to be sharing their experiences, concerns, and opinions with their government representative (hint, it is).Check out the blogpost on their findings, "Talking to Congress: Can constituents contacting their

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180:06

INTERVIEW: Scaling Democracy w/ (Dr.) Igor Krawczuk

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2024/06/03

The almost Dr. Igor Krawczuk joins me for what is the equivalent of 4 of my previous episodes. We get into all the classics: eugenics, capitalism, philosophical toads... Need I say more?If you're interested in connecting with Igor, head on over to his website, or check out placeholder for thesis (it isn't published yet).Because the full show notes have a whopping 115 additional links, I'll highlight some that I think are particularly worthwhile here:The best article you'll ever read on Open

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01:41:59

INTERVIEW: StakeOut.AI w/ Dr. Peter Park (3)

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2024/03/25

As always, the best things come in 3s: dimensions, musketeers, pyramids, and... 3 installments of my interview with Dr. Peter Park, an AI Existential Safety Post-doctoral Fellow working with Dr. Max Tegmark at MIT.As you may have ascertained from the previous two segments of the interview, Dr. Park cofounded StakeOut.AI along with Harry Luk and one other cofounder whose name has been removed due to requirements of her current position. The non-profit had a simple but important mission: make the

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01:06:22

INTERVIEW: StakeOut.AI w/ Dr. Peter Park (2)

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2024/03/18

Join me for round 2 with Dr. Peter Park, an AI Existential Safety Postdoctoral Fellow working with Dr. Max Tegmark at MIT. Dr. Park was a cofounder of StakeOut.AI, a non-profit focused on making AI go well for humans, along with Harry Luk and one other individual, whose name has been removed due to requirements of her current position.In addition to the normal links, I wanted to include the links to the petitions that Dr. Park mentions during the podcast. Note that the nonprofit which began these

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00:13:08

MINISODE: Restructure Vol. 2

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2024/03/11

After getting some advice and reflecting more on my own personal goals, I have decided to shift the direction of the podcast towards accessible content regarding "AI" instead of the show's original focus. I will still be releasing what I am calling research ride-along content to my Patreon, but the show's feed will consist only of content that I am to make as accessible as possible.00:35 - TL;DL01:12 - Advice from Pete03:10 - My personal goal05:39 - Reflection on refining my

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00:54:10

INTERVIEW: StakeOut.AI w/ Dr. Peter Park (1)

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2024/03/04

Dr. Peter Park is an AI Existential Safety Postdoctoral Fellow working with Dr. Max Tegmark at MIT. In conjunction with Harry Luk and one other cofounder, he founded ⁠StakeOut.AI, a non-profit focused on making AI go well for humans. 00:54 - Intro03:15 - Dr. Park, x-risk, and AGI08:55 - StakeOut.AI12:05 - Governance scorecard19:34 - Hollywood webinar22:02 - Regulations.gov comments23:48 - Open letters 26:15 - EU AI Act35:07 - Effective accelerationism40:50 - Divide and conquer dynamics45:40 - AI

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