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Second Nature

Dylan Bowman & Aaron Lutze

The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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01:06:20

What Is A Content Residency?

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2025/10/31

Michelle Bates organized and executed a "content residency" in New Zealand, and it instantly caught our attention. Collaboration between multiple brands, athletes and creators, all in one of the most epic outdoor playgrounds on this planet. We had to know more about how this came together - and more importantly - where it's going. Show Notes: Outsiders: https://for-outsiders.com/ NZ Experiences: https://for-outsiders.com/book-our-trips February Residency:

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58:31

The Rebirth Of Suunto

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2025/10/24

Jake Largess joined Suunto just in time for the rebirth of the company and expansion beyond watches. Recounting his history in the industry, including his time at Nike as part of the 6.0 project, Jake shares lessons he's learned through his experience, and how they apply to what he's working on now. Suunto recently launched the Vertical 2 watch, and in this podcast we learned more about their other recent product line expansion: bone-conducting headphones. Show Notes: Jake Largess:

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01:05:32

Raide Returns: One Year Later

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2025/10/17

Kyle Siegel, founder of Raide Research, appeared on the Second Nature podcast one year ago - just as he was finalizing the brand's first entry into trail running with the LF 2L belt. We've been following Raide closely since then, and brought Kyle (and his newest hire) back on the podcast to check in. It's safe to say, quite a bit has changed since the last time we had Kyle on the podcast. Show Notes: Kyle Siegel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-siegel/ Raide: https://raideresearch.com/ Original

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01:05:50

The Evolution Of Outdoor Media Summit

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2025/10/10

Yoon Kim and Kenji Haroutunian are leading the charge with Outdoor Media Summit, a gathering of industry professionals that continues to build momentum after nearly a decade. In this conversation, we dive into the history of the event - and more importantly, where it's headed. They are launching something new at this year's event, and we've got the exclusive on that announcement. Show Notes: Outdoor Media Summit: https://outdoormediasummit.com/ Yoon Kim:

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01:02:58

How Gnara Invents, Innovates, and Collaborates

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2025/10/03

Georgia Grace Edwards created something to address a pain point for a huge portion of the outdoor community with the Gnara Go-Fly technology. Beyond that innovation, she's created a pathway for Gnara to collaborate extensively with other brands - while still continuing to innovate and develop products that demonstrate the viability and versatility of the design. Show Notes: Gnara: https://gnara.com/ I Fund Women: https://www.ifundwomen.com/ KRDG Law - Ian Gates: https://krdglaw.com/staff/ian-gates/

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01:04:41

The Origin and Future Of Breakfast Club

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2025/09/26

Breakfast Club is a massive phenomenon coming out of Austin, Texas. They host group rides of over 800 riders on a monthly basis, dwarfing any other group ride. Beyond the organization of monthly rides, they also maintain an annual membership, an app, and brand partnerships to support the cause - which is necessary when you're providing amenities like police escorts on road rides. In this conversation with Grant Rogers and Jordie Ammons, we learn more about the origins, the experience, and where we

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01:02:28

Behind The Brand: East Peak

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2025/09/19

On today's podcast, we explore the origin story of East Peak, created by Paulius Dragunas. East Peak recently had a huge moment in the world of trail running, when an icon used their ice bandana to great effect at Western States. In this conversation, we dig into all efforts that led up to that breakthrough - as well as the future of East Peak. East Peak: https://www.runeastpeak.com/ Paulius Dragunas: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pdragunas/ SF Running Company: https://www.sfrunco.com/ Western States

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01:22:03

How to Build Partnerships That Actually Work

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2025/09/12

Jonathan Levitt is back on Second Nature for his second appearance, this time to dive deep into the world of partnerships. We almost titled this episode "You're Probably Doing Affiliate Marketing The Wrong Way" because Jonathan dropped an incredible amount of knowledge about best practices for structuring, onboarding and executing partnerships. His first podcast appearance is the most referenced conversation in our library, and we think this episode is going to be right up there. Show Notes: Why

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01:05:10

Authenticity Versus Algorithms: Backbone Media

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2025/09/05

Greg WIlliams joins the podcast this week to share his experience and perspective after working more than twenty years in the outdoor industry. Now President of Backbone Media, he's been able to see the growth of the industry, as well as support the careers of many of the people in it - both current employees as well as those who got their start at Backbone. With the long view of the highs and lows of the industry, Greg has plenty to share in this discussion, both where we've been - and what the

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01:17:57

You Can Just Do Things

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2025/08/29

Jeremy Dunn has forged his own path through the industry, working for storied brands like Rapha, Specialized and Smith Optics - but he's also created magazines and launched and built brands as an entrepreneur in the industry. In our conversation, we cover the lessons learned from both sides of his experience over the course of his career. Show Notes: Jeremy Dunn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyddunn/ Rapha: https://www.rapha.cc/ Rouleur Magazine: https://www.rouleur.cc/ Slate Olson:

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01:03:14

What's On DBo's Docket?

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2025/08/22

It's been a hectic summer to say the least, but Dylan and Aaron have found time to catch up and run through the latest and greatest hits in the outdoor industry. In this episode, Dylan takes the reins with a full docket of topics that he's been wanting to cover on the pod. Show Notes: Eat My Words (Agency): https://eatmywords.com/ Hello My Name Is Awesome (Book): https://amzn.to/45vKp1O YaBoyScottJurek: https://www.instagram.com/yaboyscottjurek/ Tracksmith: https://www.tracksmith.com/ Tracksmith

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01:12:14

Building The Brand: Kitworks

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2025/08/15

Greg Mills created Kitworks to solve the problem of gear organization, and in less than a year, he's established the product and brand within the outdoor community. In our conversation, we learn about the founding insights, the elements of Greg's background that contributed in a meaningful way to the brand's launch, and how people can utilize their current roles to subsidize their growth and development into opportunities like launching their own brands. Show Notes: Kitworks: https://mykitworks.com/

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01:02:25

Building The Brand: Tantrums

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2025/08/08

Adam Copeland launched Tantrums less than a year ago, and we've been having a great time watching him build the brand, brick by brick. In this conversation, we dig into the earliest days of the idea - all the way through the inflection points that have brought him to this point (and beyond). Show Notes: Tantrums: https://tantrums.run/ Run With Us - Pasadena Shop: https://www.clubrunwithus.com/ SAFE (Definition): https://www.angellist.com/learn/safe-note Carta: https://carta.com/ Anna Louden:

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01:02:41

Moving The Goalposts

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2025/08/05

Dylan and Aaron catch up in the middle of the summer to reflect on where things are at - and how far we've come. Resetting our expectations - or "moving the goalposts" - based on how things have evolved over time. During this conversation, they put it into context for other media properties - and ask the real questions about where to go next. Show Notes: Freetrail: https://www.freetrail.com Peak Life Experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku4dYpW6MG0 Billy Oppenheimer Newsletter:

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01:04:17

Buying Back Revel Bikes

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2025/08/01

Adam Miller founded Revel Bikes, sold it to private equity, then bought it back when the brand went bankrupt. We've seen this same program play out so many times in the past few years - but what makes this story different is that Adam bought his original company back and relaunched it. In this conversation, Adam takes us through the entire journey, with a bunch of behind-the-scenes insights. Show Notes: Revel Bikes: https://revelbikes.com/ Borealis Bikes: https://fatbike.com/ Why Cycles:

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01:01:13

Behind The Scenes Of Adventure Travel

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2025/07/25

Imagine running a travel agency in the year 2020 - and not only surviving, but finding new ways to continue growing the business. Travel is something that connects everyone in the outdoor industry (and beyond), and in this conversation, Leigh gives us a behind-the-scenes look at one of the largest adventure travel agencies in the world. Show Notes: Leigh Barnes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lcbarnes/ Intrepid Travel: https://www.intrepidtravel.com/us Timeshifter: https://www.timeshifter.com/ DJI on

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01:06:16

The Outdoor Industry's Biggest Emerging Market

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2025/07/22

Dylan and Aaron get back together for a catch-up after Aaron's latest trip to China. Outdoor sports are booming over there and brands are taking notice. In this conversation, Aaron shares all of his notes from everything he saw over there - and a glimpse into the future. Show Notes: Super Rider: https://www.youtube.com/@SuperRiderTV Microsoft - Acquired Episode: https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/microsoft Mario's Book Recommendation: https://amzn.to/4kTbXEW Video Night In Kathmandu (Book):

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01:04:23

Unlocking YES With Chelsea Sodaro

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2025/07/18

Chelsea Sodaro broke into the mainstream when she won the Ironman World Championship in 2022, but it's fair to say her accomplishments outside of that race have been just as impressive. She has created space for conversations around mental health in sports, parenting, and so much more. Her approach is best summed up by the mantra she has written on her bike: "YES YES YES". Chelsea continues to inspire by creating a new event called Unlocking Yes, and in this podcast, we dive deep into the details of

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01:18:26

Athletes In The Era Of Influence

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2025/07/11

Amie Engerbretson is a big mountain skier, director, producer, and so much more. We dig into the tension between being an athlete and having influence through content and social media. We get tactical and talk through proposals and project building, including the approach that athletes can take to develop and extend their careers - and how this approach is essentially a subsidized education for the athletes who choose to follow this path. Show Notes: Amie Engerbretson:

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01:06:51

The State Of Trail Running

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2025/07/04

Steve Holmberg joins the podcast to dive deeper into his presentation notes from TrailCon on the state of the trail running industry. We go beyond his talking points and dig into the details and direction for his top nine trends, including the future of athletes in the space. Show Notes: Steve Holmberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenholmberg/ Insight Accelerator: https://www.stephenholmberg.com/ Second Nature - Insights 101 Podcast:

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