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The Next Class 2.0

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Education veterans Rob Birdsell and Tom Burnford interview industry leaders about a wide range of topics related to the future of K-12 education. Sponsored by Catholic Virtual.

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Season 6 - Episode 3 - Brandon Jacobs

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/10/31

Join Rob Birdsell and Kent Hickey as they dive into a thought-provoking episode with Brandon Jacobs, Search Consultant at Carney, Sandoe & Associates, as they explore the ever-evolving landscape of leadership in private and Catholic schools.From rethinking traditional roles and expectations to embracing the humanity and imperfections of school leaders, this conversation challenges administrators to think outside the box when it comes to preparation and training. Brandon also shares insights

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38:31

Season 6 - Episode 2 - Marco Clark

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/10/31

In this episode, Dr. Erin Barisano and Rob Birdsell connect with Marco Clark to kick things off. The conversation explores what excites Marco most about college life and how he’s navigating this new chapter. Erin reflects on this transition from high school student body president to leadership in higher education, while also addressing the challenges facing colleges today. Rob shares thoughtful advice for young leaders and offers insight into the Holy Cross charism, explaining how it continues to

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16:52

Season 6 - Pilot

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/08/09

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31:37

Episode 11 - Ashling Preston

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/05/27

In this special unedited edition of The Next Class, hosts Rob Birdsell and Erin Barisano welcome Ashling Kelly Preston, Associate Director of Government Relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Recorded just days after the House passed historic federal school choice legislation, Ashling unpacks what this landmark moment means for Catholic schools nationwide. She details the structure, reach, and next steps of the Educational Choice for Children Act (ECCA), its impact on families in

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33:06

Episode 10 - Kirsten Oates

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/05/19

In this episode of The Next Class, Rob Birdsell and Kent Hickey sit down with spiritual leadership coach Kirsten Oates. With a background spanning law, consulting, and executive strategy at the Center for Action and Contemplation, Kirsten brings a unique blend of intellect and introspection. She shares how mysticism offers not just personal transformation, but practical, grounded tools for school leaders and educators navigating today’s complex educational landscape. From honoring the inner lives of

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29:57

Episode 9 - Kerry Robinson

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/04/28

In this powerful episode, hosts Rob Birdsell and Erin Barisano sit down with Kerry Alys Robinson, President and CEO of Catholic Charities USA, to explore the vital role of faith, leadership, and service in today’s world.Kerry shares her personal journey—from growing up in a legacy Catholic philanthropic family, to her work expanding Catholic life at Yale, and now leading one of the largest social service networks in the U.S. With a focus on crisis response, advocacy, and the empowerment of women in

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36:19

Episode 8 - Jeff Thielman

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/03/24

In this episode of Next Class 2.0, hosts Rob Birdsell and Kent Hickey welcomes Jeff Thielman, President and CEO of the International Institute of New England. Jeff shares his unique journey from his Jesuit volunteer experience in Peru to leading one of the nation’s oldest immigration and refugee service organizations. The conversation dives deep into how faith, mission-driven leadership, and education shape our approach to serving immigrants and refugees. Jeff reflects on his time with Cristo Rey

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34:57

Episode 7 - Ed Jennings

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/02/13

In this episode, hosts Rob Birdsell, and Kent Hickey sit down with Ed Jennings, CEO of Quick Base, for an insightful conversation about leadership, adaptability, and lifelong learning.The discussion covers the mindset and habits that fuel long-term success, leadership lessons from Ed’s personal and professional journey, how to balance high performance with team collaboration, time management strategies for busy professionals, and the impact of lifelong learning in business and education. Ed shares

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39:17

Episode 6 - Lannie Davis

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2025/01/17

In this enlightening episode of The Next Class, hosts Rob Birdsell and Erin Barisano sit down with Lannie Davis, a trailblazer in inclusive education, to discuss her transformative work at the Julie Billiart Schools. From their humble beginnings as a single campus to their current multi-campus model in Ohio, Lannie reflects on her decade-long journey of serving students with special needs and her visionary approach to leadership. She delves into the "JB Way," the challenges of recruiting and

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39:17

Episode 5 - Lori Stanley

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/12/11

Join Rob Birdsell, Erin Barisano, and Lori Stanley in a thought-provoking discussion on faith and leadership in today’s world. From exploring Ignatian spirituality to leveraging technology for deeper connections, they share personal stories and insights that inspire and empower Catholic school leaders. Lori’s moving reflections on inclusion and belonging highlight the ongoing work for unity within faith communities. A conversation packed with wisdom, innovation, and heartfelt lessons you won’t want

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37:01

Episode 4 - Kelby Woodard

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/11/13

In this episode of The Next Class, hosts Rob Birdsell and Kent Hickey chat with Kelby Woodard, CEO of The Cristo Rey Network. From his start in corporate security to his unexpected pivot into politics and education, Kelby shares how his diverse background fuels his vision for Cristo Rey’s mission. Learn about his first year as CEO, the network's expansion, and the incredible impact on students across the U.S.

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36:54

Episode 3 - Fr. Belmonte & Dr. Rigg

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/10/25

In this insightful episode, host Rob Birdsell and co-host Dr. Erin Barisano engage with Dr. Jim Rigg and Fr. John Belmonte, superintendents from Miami and Sarasota. They explore Florida’s universal school choice and its benefits for Catholic education amid Miami’s cultural diversity. Fr. Belmonte shares the archdiocese’s rich history of supporting immigrant families and highlights scholarships that enhance access to quality private education for all families. Tune in for this insightful

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44:23

Episode 2 - Dan Porterfield

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/09/18

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35:50

Season 5 - Pilot

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/08/28

Kicking off season 5 of "The Next Class 2.0," host Robert Birdsell is joined by Dr. Erin Barisano and Kent Hickey to discuss the latest trends and innovations in education. The conversation dives into the importance of relationships in Catholic schools, the impact of school choice on enrollment, and how educators can maintain hope and foster growth in their communities. The episode also teases upcoming discussions with leading voices in education, offering listeners insights into the future of

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31:41

Episode 9 - Casey Carter and Dan O'Keefe

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/07/01

Rob Birdsell hosts Casey Carter and Dan O'Keefe to discuss the transformative potential of generative AI in education. They explore how AI can shift focus from memorization to critical thinking and address concerns about AI biases and risks. The episode highlights the importance of educators embracing AI to enhance learning experiences.Check out some reading recommendations from our guests below. Human Compatible: Artificial Intelligence and the Problem of Control by Stuart J

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42:01

Episode 8 - Rick Hess and Mike McShane

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/05/31

In this podcast episode, host Rob Birdsell talks with Mike McShane and Rick Hess about their new book, "Getting Education Right." They discuss conservative perspectives on education reform, the importance of personal responsibility, and thoughtful policy changes. They focus on early childhood education, the need for diverse learning choices, and the impact of influential teachers.

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Episode 7 - Fr. James Martin

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/03/28

In this new podcast episode, Rob Birdsell is joined by Father James Martin. Fr. Martin explores the significance of Lazarus' resurrection, touching on art, literature, and the delay before his raising. He also shares personal insights, linking the biblical story to daily life and spirituality. Watch this full episode for more!

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42:47

Episode 6 - Josh Hale and Chis Chandler (Part 2)

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/03/07

Tune in for the continuation of Rob Birdsell, Josh Hale, and Chis Chandler's discussion on fundraising strategies and the teacher shortage crisis. Discover the power of authentic relationships with donors and alumni. Explore innovative tactics to retain school leaders and combat teacher turnover, emphasizing mission-driven leadership and support for educators.

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43:18

Episode 6 - Josh Hale and Chis Chandler

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/02/09

Join host Rob Birdsell in this exciting podcast episode as he welcomes guests Josh Hale and Chris Chandler to discuss the dynamic world of school leadership, with a special focus on fundraising for Catholic schools. Dive into their insightful conversation where they emphasize the vital role of relationship-building, genuine passion for the mission, and the humble approach needed in leadership. Get ready for practical strategies, captivating personal anecdotes, and a deep dive into the importance of

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42:22

Episode 5 - Katie Everett

The Next Class 2.0 ·

2024/01/24

In this episode, Rob Birdsell, the host, welcomes Katie Everett, executive director of the Lynch Foundation. They discuss the foundation's focus on five areas, including Catholic education. Katie highlights the foundation's commitment to supporting Catholic schools and mentions the diverse initiatives they fund, from education to healthcare and global projects. Katie emphasizes the need for collaboration, innovative models, and a focus on serving diverse student populations. She challenges the

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