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The Thinnest Veil

Dr. Melissa Bird

Dr. Melissa Bird is an internationally celebrated lay preacher, life coach, and author who connects communities through holy, divine, nurturing love. The Thinnest Veil podcast will guide you on an interfaith journey of self-discovery by weaving stories, sermons, and conversations into a tapestry of personal growth and transformation. If you find yourself on a spiritual journey, or wondering what one might look like, and wish there was someone who would tell it like it is, this is your podcast.

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00:43:52

Ep 65: Soul, Love, God

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/09/17

In this lively and rich discussion, Melissa and Essence discuss anger as an honest spiritual experience, the audacity and power of love, and how nature teaches us that some years just aren't our years. This conversation was full of so many breathtaking moments. One of the main take aways? When we live into the consistency of something that gives to people instead of taking from people, we fall in love instead of fear.Ask yourself, "what matters now?"

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00:56:27

Ep 64: The joy in the journey

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/09/03

There are moments when we break. In this incredible interview with Cesar Cardona we talk about the thread that connects us all, whatever we are feeling is right, and the metaphor beyond the message. There were moments when Cesar brought tears to my eyes as we talked about our spiritual journeys, the connection with Beethoven and Hendrix, and how what other people think doesn't have to take away from who we are as people. To connect more with Cesar, go to his website

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00:35:01

Ep 63: Thoughts on leadership and power

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/08/20

Let's talk about women's leadership. With Amy and Nancy, we dig into how conditioning defines leadership, why owning leadership is powerful and scary, and why we are being called to embrace our own brand of leadership. Emotional sensitivity is a power and we change the world by owning it. Amy and Nancy hope that people will listen to themselves and tell their own authentic, unfiltered stories.Are you ready to step up with us and tell your story?

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00:41:17

Ep 62: Listening is an act of activism

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/08/13

In this beautiful episode I talk with superstar sisters Amy and Nancy Harrington about their experience building their intentional community, The Passionistas Project Sisterhood. It is an online community built on the foundation of social impact and finding humanity in one another. In this conversation, we talk about how being vulnerable is leadership, leading with a different energy through softening, and creating space for love and compassion. Learn more about the Passionistas sisterhood

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00:32:03

Ep 61: The Counterbalance to Atrocity is Love

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/08/06

There is no right way to be spiritual. In this episode Safrianna Lughna and I discuss spiritual bypassing and how people can use spiritual excuses to avoid looking at difficult things in their own lives. We get right down to the nitty gritty about how we can make space to return to experiences to heal, how intention is the ingredient that changes everything, and how Protestant religion is what brought us the original forms of hustle culture.There are so many nuggets of wisdom in this

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00:46:35

Ep 60: Holding on and letting go

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/07/30

Are you ready for this episode?My dear friend Safrianna and I explore how we are impacted by being disconnected from nature, there is no quick fix, and how doing healing work lasts a lifetime. Safrianna and I get a little bit spicy here and don't worry about pulling all the punches. Listen, your authentic expression is for YOU first! We talk about showing up as you really are, how trauma spins us up so we feel validated and accepted, why we should focus on the impact of trauma and leave the trauma

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00:45:37

Ep 59: Shamanism, healing and coming together as one.

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/07/23

My friend Michelle Hawk and I dig into the myths and truths about shamanism. Michelle and I discuss how fundamentally wounded this cohort of humanity is, what it means to have no embodied relationship with the planet, and how the spiritual industry is plagued with hyper individualism. By acknowledging the reality that there is a dangerous capitalistic orientation to healing work and plant medicine, Michelle and I dig into our hopes for rigorous integrity and responsible authenticity in healing and

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00:38:05

Ep 58: Debunking stereotypes and hopes for the future

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/07/16

In this episode, Dāli and I wrap up our conversation about immigration. We talk about debunking stereotypes about immigrants being a financial drain on the economy, why we should all care about politics, and why it is so important to pay attention to who we are getting information from. We recorded this conversation on July 1, 2025, the very day that the US Senate passed a budget bill that could serve to strip immigrants of even more human rights by increasing funding for ICE and detention centers

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00:37:32

Ep 57: Solidarity over Assimilation

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/07/09

In this episode, Dali Rivera and I continue our conversation about immigration in the United States. During our spicy and revelatory conversation we discuss how immigrants have to leave who they are behind, how to keep their culture and bring in new rituals and practices, and how immigrants often (if not always) feel othered when moving in different spaces. Dali and I dig into how immigrants have to navigate unspoken cultural norms, releasing unrealistic expectations of immigrants, and how to create

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00:45:15

Ep 56: Immigration, soul support and Graceful Revolution

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/07/02

This time we are joined by Dāli Rivera to dive into immigration. Through the power of her own story of immigrating to the United States from Nicaragua, Dali takes us on a path of revelation about why changes need to be made to our immigration system. From serving in the military to supporting other immigrants, Dali and I raise the level of awareness about what we can do to support our community and impact the system.Dāli Rivera is a U.S. Army veteran, speaker, author, founder, and creator of the

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00:38:57

Ep 55: Love and grief. When the end is the beginning.

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/06/25

In this final episode of the series, Cat Barnard and I talk about the weight of grief, how the experience of living includes music and how it sometimes reminds us of grief. We also expand on loving to our full capacity. Over and over throughout our lives we go through moments of death. Where what we thought we knew and understood dies so that we can be born again in another cycle of the spiral. There has always been darkness and light. Each change of season gives us the opportunity to see what is

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00:38:01

Ep 54: Love on the edge of heartbreak

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/06/18

This week, we're diving into the illusion that we can control our lives to the extend we think we should. With Cat we discuss how the most powerful thing we can do at this time is to try to understand the water we are swimming in.How to be more gentle with ourselves? How to go beyond the ordinary to trust our vision, inhibit our potential, and navigate the chaos and cut the clutter around us?This episode is full of nuggets of wisdom.Hear your soul's calling and dive in!

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00:27:16

Ep 53: It all starts with us

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/06/11

We continue our conversation with Cat as we go over how to be grateful for what we have and who we are while staying grounded.We're inviting you to be more compassionate for yourself, to bring more grace to yourself in order to stop resisting what angers you. What little thing can you do at your level in order to shift all the big things happening?Let's talk about how Capitalism cannot continue as it isn't benefitting the masses anymore as society as evolved away from owning people.This

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00:33:59

Ep 52: Love & compassion in the Chaos

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/06/04

We're back with Cat talking about how to find ways to give yourself love and compassion in the current society.In a World that keeps spiralling in Chaos and with Social Media constantly driving this Chaos, how do we focus on what's really important? How do we resist all the distractions and fear?We go through our concern about how fear, hate and disgust sells, and how our intuition compels us to connect with others, and becoming ok with our wonky mismatched selves.Come look for birds with

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00:38:18

Ep 51: Love Vs Perfection & Capitalism

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/05/28

In this episode, we talk wit Cat about Christmases, difficult family dynamics, and the nostalgia of a more simple time. When the price of raw ingredients is more than the one of ultra processed food, how do you keep up with your mineral intake and your health? With the constant pressure on consuming more and more, how do you feel fulfilled with less? How can you bring back the spirit of Christmas of spending time with family and simply being.Join us in our reflections on spaciousness, navigating

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00:43:46

Ep 50: Is (self) love the answer?

The Thinnest Veil ·

2025/05/21

Are you ready for this new series? We're back with Cat Barnard. Cat is a partner and co-founder at Working the Future, a boutique consultancy helping business leaders prepare for and adapt to the future of work. With a previous career in workforce planning spanning three decades, Cat has has seen time and again just how foundational human connection and relationship are in accelerating team performance.In this episode we explore how compassion and love for ourselves and others have to come

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00:07:22

Ep 49: Raw and Unedited

The Thinnest Veil ·

2024/03/18

Surprise! Episode 49 sneaks up (I even thought it was episode 50-HA). As I prepare for a brief hiatus to undergo knee replacements (thankfully, not simultaneously!), anticipate my summer return filled with fresh perspectives on spirituality, religion, and magic. In the meantime, dive into my archive of episodes, including captivating interviews on topics like Christian witchcraft, Native American religion, Christian Nationalism, and beyond. Stay tuned for a glorious journey ahead!Did you know that

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00:37:52

Ep 48: Grieving the Collective Part 2

The Thinnest Veil ·

2024/02/26

In this beautiful conversation with the lovely and talented Cat Barnard we talk about the 3 things you must do when confronting death and dying.Cat poses the remarkable question, “How would I want people to be with me in my final hours?” Plus, we talk about social media, broadcast squawking, creating space for silence, and how to listen well and be present. This is a GORGEOUS episode that left me in tears.

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00:20:03

Ep 47 - Money is my Demon

The Thinnest Veil ·

2024/02/12

Do you ever have something strike you while you are in the shower? Today, I am getting raw and vulnerable with you about my ah-ha shower moment. This episode is great if you want to hear me cry and have a live epiphany about why money and I have struggled for 43 years.

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00:34:01

Ep 46: Grieving the Collective

The Thinnest Veil ·

2024/01/22

In this epic conversation with my friend Cat Barnard we talk about how individualism breaks our collective nature, how grief and loss is being felt at a cellular level, and how sometimes the listener doesn’t want to hear our emotional turmoil. DO NOT MISS THIS EPISODE!

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