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Mess World

Mess World is a podcast by Jessica DeFino and Emily Kirkpatrick that takes a critical look at the dregs of pop culture. Jessica is the writer behind FLESH WORLD, which has been called the newsletter “the beauty industry fears,” and Emily is the creator of I <3 Mess, a weekly roundup of the best of the worst celebrity fashion. Together, they dissect the biggest and dumbest celebrity happenings every month and give their unfiltered opinion on everything going on in the world of fashion and beauty

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100:34

Your Neck Is Saggy (Complimentary)

Mess World ·

2025/10/31

We’re back with a new episode of Mess World, a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: The Kardashians are stalking Emily [4:15], the European Wax Center is in cahoots with Skims [17:30], was Fashion Month anti-woman? [22:45], clown couture [41:30], why no one gets a neck lift “for themselves” [49:30], the hair extensions at the Victoria’s Secret fashion show [58:30], Shark Beauty and the

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86:34

Simulacra-Mania!

Mess World ·

2025/10/03

We’re back with a new name and a fresh episode of Mess World (formerly The Review of Mess): a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: The “scandal” at the mental health start-up Selena Gomez started with her mother [6:30], a very dystopian NikeSkims launch at the New York Public Library [15:00], Pamela Anderson’s capitalist absorption [33:30], Doja Cat dreams of edible lipstick [38:45],

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99:03

Ambient Eugenics

Mess World ·

2025/08/29

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between FLESH WORLD (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Skims’ dystopian skull shapewear [3:50], Alicia Keys’ “It’s Like Skin” foundation [18:40], Anna Delvey’s Trumpian approach to scandal, the politics of beauty’s WNBA takeover [39:00], the “Stretch Armstrong” trend (or the manspreading of garments) [49:35], Sydney Sweeney’s American Eagle ads

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84:56

You Can Never Escape The Labubu

Mess World ·

2025/08/01

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Our new book club!, period blood as a fashion statement (or protest) [4:55], Kim Kardashian’s Elizabeth Taylor cosplay [10:45], Revlon’s inane lip gloss collab with Guy Fieri [19:26], the panopticon of surveillance culture by way of the Coldplay cheating scandal [26:30], heat damage

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106:42

Should We Take Ugly Women Seriously?

Mess World ·

2025/06/30

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Our first impressions of the Caroline Bessette-Kennedy costuming in Ryan Murphy’s upcoming “American Love Story” (very Lifetime Original Movie-coded!) [6:30], why temporary tattoos and faux nipple piercings are trending right now [26:30], the faults and failings of “cosmetic

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110:40

A Hermeneutic Analysis of Jones Road Beauty

Mess World ·

2025/06/02

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment we invited Mikala Jamison, writer of the newsletter Body Type, to chat about muscle-as-accessory in the Build-A-Body era. Today we’re talking about: A final Met Gala recap [3:12]; the Cannes red carpet nipple ban [27:30]; a hermeneutic analysis of Jones Road Just Enough Tinted Moisturizer

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5:45

$33 Non-Toxic Toilet Paper with Ochuko Akpovbovbo

Mess World ·

2025/05/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit jessicadefino.substack.comWe’re back with another very special paid subscriber only episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited Ochuko Akpovbovbo — writer of the must-read and oft-quoted (by us) newsletter as seen on — to join us.Today we’re talking …

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112:33

David Cronenberg For The Girlies

Mess World ·

2025/05/05

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited writer and director Emilie Blichfeldt to talk about her new “beauty horror” film, The Ugly Stepsister, which is theaters now and will begin streaming on Shudder on May 9.Today we’re talking about: Apocalyptic steampunk fashion at Coachella [3:30]; the astounding number of

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7:57

Bon Iver's Tinned Fish with Josh Gondelman

Mess World ·

2025/04/21

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit jessicadefino.substack.comWe’re back with another very special paid subscriber only episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited comedian extraordinaire Josh Gondelman, writer of the newsletter That's Marvelous!, to join us in conversation.Today we’re tal…

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99:28

The Truth About Butter Biscuit Blondes

Mess World ·

2025/04/04

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited Mother Jones reporter Inae Oh to talk about “In Your Face: The Brutal Aesthetics of MAGA,” her recent investigation into Mar-a-Lago Face, conservative makeup, and more.Today we’re talking about: A potential live podcast event in NYC!, wired garments that simulate wind [5:10]

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5:18

The Death of Personal Style with Liz Goldwyn

Mess World ·

2025/03/14

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit jessicadefino.substack.comWe’re back with another very special paid subscriber only episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited Hollywood royalty Liz Goldwyn, writer of the newsletter STARF*CKER, to join us in conversation.ALSO! To listen to th…

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111:13

Adult Babies Incoming

Mess World ·

2025/02/28

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: The New York Times Styles section seems suspiciously inspired by Emily (Medieval fashion is in? Fur is back? You don’t say!) [2:15], some anonymous gossip about the mainstream media site that almost published Jessica’s facial harmonization story but didn’t [15:20], tighty-whitie

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5:28

Sloped Walls At The Prada Store With Mackenzie Thomas

Mess World ·

2025/02/17

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit jessicadefino.substack.comWe’re back with another very special paid subscriber only episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick). For this installment, we invited the iconic Mackenzie Thomas, writer of the newsletter ★ I WILL DO WHATEVER I WANT ★, to join us in conversation. Today we’re talking about: …

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94:01

Inauguration Fashion — A Feast Of Fascist Undertones!

Mess World ·

2025/01/31

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Our 2025 trend predictions already coming true [1:30], the future is ephemeral foam couture [8:30], a faux-scandalous pubic hair care campaign from Kiehl’s [15:50], the various horrors of Mr. Beast [22:00], why Coors — yes, the beer company — is entering the cosmetics space [33:40], a

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97:23

The Illusion of 'Mar-A-Lago Face'

Mess World ·

2024/12/27

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: President Trump’s perfume empire [1:15], fur is in fashion [7:20], meat is chic [13:07], dairy propaganda [14:30], the skincare industry is being weird about beef tallow [19:40], the return of Victorian-era nightgowns and bloomers [30:00], why Ulta is selling children’s toys [37:20],

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80:37

RFK Jr: America's Beauty Czar

Mess World ·

2024/11/29

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Kim Kardashian seduces a Tesla robot to feminize the future of techno-fascism [5:20], David Beckham launches a “longevity” line to bring anti-aging to the bros [12:15], the construction of false bodies through fashion in the age of Ozempic [18:20], the return of aughties-era thinspo

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106:21

Glitter Freckles Are Canceled

Mess World ·

2024/10/29

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Halsey as The Great Impersonator [5:45], nepo-models (Romeo Beckham! Sunday Rose Urban!) [11:40], Miu Miu’s prepubescent aesthetic [18:30], the rise of the “ballet body” (or, more accurately, the “surgical body”) [25:15], North West trolling Kim Kardashian [35:40], the so-called

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97:59

Stop Trying To Make 'Moo Deng Skin' Happen

Mess World ·

2024/09/30

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: The Hole Debate (there’s still time to join the waitlist here!), Renaissance Fair Fall (Chappell Roan! Megan Thee Stallion!) [4:00], medieval fashion as a longing for pre-capitalist life [7:54], the folkloric aesthetics of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko [11:38],

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114:17

Blake Lively Is Not Very Demure

Mess World ·

2024/09/02

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Fetish porn as a PR strategy, the “sploogification” of skincare [3:07], Emily’s journalistic debacle with The Face and the aesthetics of fascism [5:33], the sadness of the morning shed [20:20], the emergence of the “self-shelfie” [28:40], Jools Debron and the ballroom origins of

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107:47

WikiFeet Goes A-List

Mess World ·

2024/07/30

We’re back with another episode of The Review of Mess: a podcast collaboration between The Review of Beauty (by me, Jessica DeFino) and I <3 Mess (a fashion newsletter from Emily Kirkpatrick).Today we’re talking about: Emily’s feud with Deuxmoi, Deuxmoi’s perfume collab with Violet Grey, Style Not Com’s spon-con loophole [15:30], Demi Lovato’s (very catchy) song for haircare brand OGX [23:00], Lil Mama’s lipgloss line [30:50], Sabrina Carpenter’s in-video product placements [33:00], Lily Allen’s

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