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You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

A podcast at the intersection of psychology and culture that intimately explores the human experience and critiques the counseling profession. Your host, Stephanie Winn, distills wisdom gained from her practice as a family therapist and coach while pivoting towards questions of how to apply a practical understanding of psychology to the novel dilemmas of the 21st century, from political polarization to medical malpractice. What does ethical mental health care look like in a normless age, as our

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234. New ROGD Parent Quiz & Website Makeover Tour

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/10/05

Watch the video for the site tour. Click here to watch this on YouTube. Click here to watch it on Substack.If you take one thing from today’s episode, let it be this: parents of gender-confused youth can now take a quiz on my website to identify which archetypal themes they’re struggling with and which ROGD Repair lessons can help. That’s the big news here.If you take a second thing from today, let it be this: all my websites got a makeover. Whether you’re a listener, course member, client,

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77:27

233. Why You Probably Won't Lose Your Therapy License...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/09/28

Pastor and counselor Chris Legg returns to talk about something he sees in nearly every grad student who arrives for training at Aletheia Family Counseling Center: fear. After 25 years of training new therapists from seminaries, secular universities, and everything in between, Chris says most show up convinced a lawsuit is coming the moment anyone learns what they personally believe.We start with the phrase "check your values at the door," and Chris shows why it collapses under its own

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69:39

232. Katy Faust: Adults Should Do Hard Things So...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/09/21

Katy Faust returns to the podcast, and this time the conversation goes somewhere I didn’t expect. Katy founded Them Before Us to defend children’s right to their mother and father, and she opens by laying out the three principles that drive her work: children have a right to life, children need their mom and dad, and children should not be bought and sold. Those convictions put her at odds with almost everyone at some point, which is exactly why I wanted to talk with her again.What makes

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231. Detransition Lawsuits: Legal Accountability for...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/09/14

I'm eager to welcome back Lynn Chadwick, a retired NICU nurse and founder of Themis Resource Fund, to discuss the critical landscape of detransition lawsuits and legal accountability in medical transition. We dive deep into the first detransition lawsuit victory—the Varian v. Einhorn case—where a therapist was found 70% culpable, and what this landmark decision means for mental health professionals. Lynn shares how Themis is supporting detransitioned individuals seeking litigation

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123:20

230. Meet Young Stephanie: My Untold Story, Drawn Out...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/09/07

I can’t believe I’m doing this. My friend Soad Tabrizi — therapist, founder of Conservative Counselors, and a returning guest — asked if she could reverse-interview me about my own story, and I said yes. What came out was far more than I planned to share, and even if you’ve been following my work for years, it’s probably all new to you.I talk about growing up a white girl near Compton and Inglewood in the 1990s, the racial scapegoating I faced as a child, and the nutritional and emotional

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66:19

229. When Psychedelic Therapy Imprints Politics Onto...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/08/31

The psychedelic renaissance is here — money is pouring in, states are legalizing, and a federal executive order has fast-tracked ibogaine research for veterans. But if you’re a conservative, a skeptic, or just politically homeless, is there room for you in this movement? In this episode I welcome back therapist Karen King (last heard in episodes 81 and 97) alongside her co-author Wesley Smith, a small-c conservative who stumbled into psychedelics through a paragliding accident. Together

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95:00

228. Prisons, Schools, Sports & Therapy: the Gender...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/08/24

Retired Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Justice Elspeth Cypher returns to the podcast (her first appearance was episode 183) to map the legal landscape of the gender turf wars, fought on four major frontiers: prisons, schools, sports, and therapy. As president of the Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF), Elspeth walks me through the Chandler case challenging California’s SB 132, which eliminated all gatekeeping for men seeking transfer into women’s prisons, and the protective orders finally

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72:48

227. Cognitive Warfare, Moral Inversion, and the War...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/08/17

I'm welcoming back filmmaker Simon Esler, who first appeared on this podcast back on episode 54 to discuss his documentary Cut: Daughters of the West. This time, we're diving into his new docuseries You Are Here, which explores the landscape of cognitive warfare—the idea that human cognition itself has become the most contested territory in modern conflict.We start with the chilling case of Barry Neufeld, a Canadian school board trustee who was fined $750,000 for refusing to believe that

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84:53

226. Clever Parenting: Faith in Your Teen's Soul,...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/08/10

I'm so glad to welcome back my friend Kim O for her third appearance on the show. Kim is a relational soul coach and author who works directly with ROGD-affected teens and their parents — one of a very small handful of people doing work that closely mirrors my own. In this conversation, we dig into what it actually looks like to believe in your child's soul when everything about their behavior is screaming at you to panic.Kim shares how shifting from fear and worry energy to genuine belief

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101:06

225. Teens and Screens, Part 2: The Case Against...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/08/03

This is Part Two of Teens and Screens, and it's the counterweight. Last episode, Dr. Johann D'Souza made the case for keeping toxic screens out of your teenager's hands entirely. Today I'm joined again by Dr. Will Dobud — social worker, researcher, and co-author of Kids These Days — who thinks the story we tell ourselves about phones and youth mental health is far bigger than the evidence behind it.I open by naming my own bias: I work with the families where it went wrong. Porn addiction,

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90:55

224. Teens and Screens, Part 1: The Case Against Teen...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/07/27

This is Part 1 of a two-part series on teens and screens, and I'm starting at one end of the spectrum on purpose. Today I welcome back Dr. Johann D'Souza, a clinical psychologist specializing in OCD and behavioral addiction, for an unapologetically hardline conversation. His position: never give your child a smartphone — and say no to the three "toxic screen uses" of video games, social media, and pornography.We dig into why each harms kids differently: how video games train boys toward

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223. The HIV Money Trail Behind Global Transgender...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/07/20

Today I welcome back Róisín Michaux — the Irish writer based in Brussels who covers women’s rights and free speech in the context of the transgender movement — for her second appearance on the show. When I booked this interview I had no idea what we’d cover; I simply trusted her to bring something worth digging into. What she brought is her ongoing investigation into the new World Health Organization guidelines for global transgender healthcare, and I’m hearing most of it for the first time

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92:07

222. Unprofessional Conduct: The Vague Phrase That...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/07/13

I’m welcoming back Diana Lutfi — independent legal expert, healthcare regulatory and bioethics consultant, and coalition builder — for a conversation about just how broken the American healthcare system has become, and how that brokenness is now colliding with the fight over therapist speech.I open with a personal on-ramp: my own recent ordeal getting diagnosed and treated for SIBO, and everything it revealed about a system that pushes drugs and procedures while ignoring underlying causes

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221. Ryan Rogers: Gas Station Opioids, Faith-Based...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/07/06

My friend Ryan Rogers returns to the podcast for our third conversation. He's an addictions counselor in Texas, host of Reality Therapy, and now the author of two books — The Woke Mind and his new release, The Carpenter's Recovery, a Christian guide to 12-step recovery. We start with what's being called "gas station heroin": a chemical called 7-OH, extracted from kratom, that's roughly thirteen times stronger than morphine and sold legally next to the 5-Hour Energy drinks at the checkout

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220. The Corporate Vibe Shift: Tanya de Grunwald on...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/06/29

We've talked a lot on this podcast about institutional capture — whistleblowers, mission drift, what happens when ideology takes the steering wheel. Today my guest takes a different angle on all of it.Tanya de Grunwald hosts This Isn't Working, a podcast about workplace dynamics, and runs This Is Working, a business community for employers. From 2018 to 2024 she ran a club for early-careers heads at companies like Google, KPMG, AstraZeneca, and the NHS — a front-row seat to peak DEI from

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219. Why ROGD Teens Tune Out Parents' Warnings — and...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/06/22

Why does your teen tune you out? It might have to do with the role your message unconsciously casts her in. "Alter-casting" refers to the way every message you send implicitly assigns a role or identity to the person you're speaking with. If the role you cast your child in conflicts with how they want to see themselves, your message will be rejected — no matter how accurate, loving, or urgent it is.I walk through a concrete example: a mother warning her teenage daughter about predators

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218. Why Your Teen Thinks in Extremes — And What You...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/06/15

In this solo episode, I'm diving into one of the most pervasive and underappreciated cognitive patterns I see across ROGD families: black-and-white thinking. It's the tendency to categorize everything in terms of two mutually exclusive extremes — all or nothing, perfect or ruined, success or failure — with no middle ground.I explain how this pattern is a normal feature of adolescent brain development, but becomes significantly amplified in kids with ADHD, autism, OCD, or anxiety —

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14:08

217. "Gender Identity" as a Shell: What the Alter Ego...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/06/08

In this solo episode, I share one of my favorite metaphors for understanding how desistance actually unfolds in practice — because it rarely looks the way most parents hope it will. Many parents carry a fantasy version of desistance in their heads: a tearful moment of confession, an apology, a sudden reversal. That's almost never what happens. What actually happens is slower, messier, and far less dramatic — but still hopeful, if you know what you're looking at.The metaphor I use is the

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37:57

216. Creating Conditions for Desistance: A Parent's...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/06/01

In this solo episode, I pull back the curtain on the work I do the rest of the week as an ROGD parent coach. Most parents arrive with one goal in mind: convince their trans-identified child to stop believing in gender ideology. I explain why that's the wrong place to put your energy, and why I won't help you do it as a first step.The belief is downstream. There are two goals that actually matter, and they have to be held in the right order. The first is preserving bodily integrity — keeping

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24:35

215. Disenfranchised Dad, ROGD Kid: When Fathers Get...

You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist ·

2026/05/25

In this short solo episode, I introduce you to a figure who shows up again and again in my ROGD parent coaching work: the disenfranchised dad. He's usually a decent man — hardworking, opinionated, loves his kids — but somewhere along the way he ended up on the outside of his own family's emotional life, looking in. His wife is the emotional center. The kids bring everything to her. He drifts to the periphery and starts commenting on dinner from across the room, and the family rolls its

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