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5-4

Prologue Projects

5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.Subscribe to our premium episodes & much more at fivefourpod.com/support5-4 is a production of Prologue Projects.

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39:44

Minersville School District v. Gobitis

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2026/10/27

The Supreme Court rules you have to say the pledge in school…and three years later, takes it back. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by

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49:19

The Vindictive Prosecution of Ilhan Omar

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2026/10/20

On Monday, October 12th federal agents raided Representative Ilhan Omar’s home as part of an investigation aiming to denaturalize and deport her. This is really disgusting. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides

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46:11

Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D. (and Rhoney...

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2026/10/13

Deporting people to dangerous countries? Detaining them indefinitely without bond? Bad, actually. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by

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4:56

250 Years of Bad Decisions Pt. 2: The Law Was Never...

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2026/10/06

In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael for part two of their Supreme Court retrospective. This time they track how the myth of judicial neutrality has haunted America for centuries. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon

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43:20

De-Supremify the Supreme Court with Niko Bowie and...

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2026/09/25

Do we have to accept the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional meaning? Legal scholars Niko Bowie and Daphne Renan say no! They join the podcast to talk about their new book, Supremacy: How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the People, which argues against “judicial supremacy” and looks to America’s past to recover a more democratic constitutional tradition. Check out Supremacy here If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this

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46:22

2026-2027 Supreme Court Term Preview

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2026/09/22

It’s fall and you know what that means: a chill is in the air and in Sam Alito’s heart. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy

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57:20

The Innocence Case from Hell with Josie Duffy Rice

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2026/09/15

Friend of the pod Josie Duffy Rice joins Peter and Michael to talk about her new podcast, The Backfire Effect. Her show digs into the case of Temujin Kensu, a man sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Scott Macklem. Has the wrong man been in prison this whole time?Listen to The Backfire Effect wherever you get your podcasts. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack

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52:51

National Park Service v. National Trust for Historic...

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2026/09/08

We have to let the President build a ninety thousand square feet of ballroom.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY,

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4:56

John Roberts is on Substack, U.S. Attorneys are Fake,...

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2026/08/25

Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael dig into some recent headlines including plans to ban halal food in Texas, John Roberts’ Substack debut, the disturbing truth behind DNC spam texts, and more.Check out Adam Bonica’s investigation here.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli

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38:20

NRSC v. FEC

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2026/08/18

Yet another opinion where the Supreme Court decides that money is speech and bribery doesn’t exist without a big sack of money. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Andrew Parsons. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork

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56:33

Trump v. Slaughter (and Trump v. Cook)

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2026/08/11

Executive agencies are fake by the way… If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions

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4:48

Gambling Away the Future: Kalshi, SCOTUSBlog, and...

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2026/08/04

Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a break from case law to discuss the possibility of stolen midterms, the evil lawyers defending Kalshi and Polymarket, and SCOTUSBlog’s subtle conservative makeover. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides

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55:12

Mullin v. Doe

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2026/07/28

It’s not racist to think, act, and talk like a racist.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations

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62:08

West Virginia v. B.P.J.

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2026/07/21

The Supreme Court backs West Virginia in banning it's only openly trans student athlete from the girls cross country team. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, get access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our

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4:46

The Legal Media is Still in Denial [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]

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2026/07/14

Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a hard look at media coverage of this Supreme Court term. Thank you to our wonderful subscribers. 5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers . Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael

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66:11

Trump v. Barbara

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2026/07/07

Birthright citizenship, widely considered settled law before Trump tried to overturn it via executive order last year, escaped this term unscathed by one single vote. Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael explore the various mental illnesses, brainworms, and ahistorical nonsense that led to such a close decision. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at

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54:27

250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War,...

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2026/06/30

In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, Michael and University of Pennsylvania Law Professor Kermit Roosevelt as they talk through how the Supreme Court greased the wheels for the end of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow.Check out Kermit’s book The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at

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54:23

“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”:...

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2026/06/23

Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her latest book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights.Check out Without Precedent here! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at

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41:13

The Supreme Court v. The First Step Act

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2026/06/16

In two cases this term, federal inmates sought their freedom based on compassionate release, an early release process that was expanded under the 2018 First Step Act. The Supreme Court denied both requests.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh

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4:45

Reform the Court and Your Love Life (Summer 2026...

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2026/06/09

The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s finances. Thanks for all of your questions, and for being a Premium member!5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations

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