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Feminine Chaos

Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield

Problematic faves, dissident feminism, and poodle interruptions: this is Feminine Chaos, featuring cultural commentary from Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield. femchaospod.substack.com

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51:05

The Auld Racist Apocalypse

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/01/26

Kat and Phoebe discuss a viral incident of racism-or-is-it on the long prairie road to Canada, the socialist darling who was cancelled for flouting the Covidian Collective, and the blondes of TikTok who may be having more fun but who are not having the last word on blondness in the pages of the New York Times.Links:“Old Racist Karen” is not a song title but the news in Canada: https://www.blogto.com/travel/2023/01/racist-karen-westjet-flight-toronto-caught-typing-complaints-black-women/Phoebe's

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45:51

Last of the Queer Covidians

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/01/05

Fellas, is it gay to go maskless? Kat and Phoebe discuss recent coverage of the few, the proud, the covid faithful. Also, Kat has a generous offer for those who preorder her new book!Links:Libs of TikTok (via) finds someone saying you can be gay but not queer if you don’t mask.Forever Covid: Mx. And Mx. nix leaving the house. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/us/covid-masks-risk.htmlEmma Green on the forever-ers:

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50:43

The Kiss of Death, the Death of Kissing

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/12/01

Kat and Phoebe discuss the kissing of cheeks, the petting of pets, the cancellation of Junot Diaz, and the intolerable slander of Seinfeld by a New Yorker essayist.LINKS:Ben Smith on Junot Diaz, notorious cheek-kisser: https://www.semafor.com/article/11/27/2022/junot-diaz-in-limboKat's tweets on l’affaire bisou:Saïd Sayrafiezadeh on finding “Seinfeld” problematic: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/i-finally-watched-seinfeld?utm_source=NYR_REG_GATEMeghan Daum on literary citizenship:

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50:17

I Am the Very Model of a Modern Demisexual

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/11/16

[singing]I am the very model of a modern DemisexualMy sexual proclivities are purely hypotheticalI’m here to say it loud and proud, my internet confessionalI’ve never touched a boob, which makes me very intersectional!LINKS:Kat offends Twitter's demisexuals: https://unherd.com/2022/11/demisexuals-are-scared-of-sex/Phoebe watches 1990s YouTube: The complete “Pam” song: This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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44:51

Penis Mermaid Truthers and the Edgelord of the Manor

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/11/07

It’s El Dia de los Edgelords on Feminine Chaos! Kat and Phoebe discuss the mom who will not be apologizing for committing a Halloween war crime, the provenance of a crudely drawn picture of a wiener, and the Elon Musk Twitter takeover that will soon relegate our blue checks to the dustbin of history. Links:Phoebe on Twitter’s Musk Era: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-early-returns-from-twitters-new-era-have-been-less-than/Kat on weird political tribalism:

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47:11

Your Privilege Is Showing, Coffee Husband Edition

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/10/27

Kat and Phoebe discuss the woman who committed literal violence by discussing her happy marriage on Twitter, the self-congratulatory feminists of “Gutsy”, and the girlfriend who stayed home to heat (but not eat) her boyfriend’s soup.Links:Daisey aka lilplantmami, sharing how #blessed her existence is: The privilege. The privilege! Stay at home girlfriends of TikTok: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/stay-at-home-girlfriend-journal-tiktok/Amy Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton spill their

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58:59

The Guggenheisenberg Principle

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/10/08

Kat and Phoebe discuss the professor who was fired for making organic chemistry too hard, and the Guggenheim curator who was fired for making an enemy of the wrong art monster.Links:At NYU, Students Were Failing Organic Chemistry. Whose Fault Was It? - The New York TimesPhoebe on Team BratsA prior, relevant Feminine Chaos:The Guggenheim’s Scapegoat - The AtlanticChaedria LaBouvier's amazing tweet threads: 1, 2, 3Phoebe's roundup mentioning Guggengate This is a public episode. If you’d like to

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56:46

Boobs and Murder

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/09/26

Kat and Phoebe take on a series of pendulous topics: the “disgusting” appropriation of serial killer culture, Adam Levine’s text messages, and the Canadian shop teacher who gives new meaning to the term “rubber baby buggy bumpers.”Links:Phoebe on the boobs: Opinion: Ontario teacher’s prosthetic bust offers a lesson about body shaming - The Globe and MailWoody Allen's Giant Boob sceneWait, what if: Was the fake boobs teacher a hoax? - The PostAs always, Philip Roth ties it all together: The Breast, a

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60:29

Cat Ladies and Leaning Out (with Tara Henley)

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/09/13

Special guest Tara Henley joins Kat and Phoebe to discuss leaning in, leaning out, and leaning away from cat ownership for extremely compelling reasons.Links:Helen Andrews essay: Lean Out - The American MindAbout Tara's documentaryThe making of '39': field notes from producer Tara Henley | CBC RadioTara on Substack: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycleTara's documentary: Thirty nine. Female. Crazy job. No partner. No kids. AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! | CBC RadioRosen's Words About Ann Romney Fuel

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39:22

Life Skills for the Extremely Online

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/09/01

A question from the Feminine Chaos AMA launches Kat and Phoebe into a free-associating chat about group chats as commune, men going their own way in the wilderness, “I’m with stupid” merchandise, and the internet newsletters that tell us how to live. Links:Lyz Lenz on the life-sustaining group chatAnne Helen Petersen's manifesto on behaving like a normal personOur previous episode on the "tragic heterosexuality" book: This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or

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48:31

DEI Goes Sad Trombone and a Sociology Conference Goes...

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/08/14

Kat introduces Phoebe to a DEI training failure so cringe you'll want to d-i-e, and Phoebe unpacks the sociology beef that can only be settled with a dance off. (With special cameo appearances from two barking poodles, one noisy vacuum, one shrieking toddler, and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.)Links:Wellcome's "womp, womp" thread on its diversity failuresWellcome's diversity report: PDFThe Konference Karen saga: 1, 2, 3, 4 (Note: 4 is a whole thread) This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss

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57:10

Virgins and Copycats

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/07/28

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss how many times they've had, you know… *whispers erotically* the coronavirus, and what happens when there are no covid virgins left to deflower. Then: the absolutely bonkers saga of a literary plagiarism scandal, followed by an apology, which was also plagiarized.Links:If You’ve Never Had COVID, Are You a Sitting Duck? - The AtlanticThe horror movie Kat tried (not very well) to summarize:

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54:37

Insensitivity Readers

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/07/15

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss poetry in translation (or, aggressively, NOT), sensitivity readers, and whether we could please stop fighting about the word "women".Isabella Wang's screed against translation (screenshot) Kat in Reason: Sensitivity Readers Are the New Literary Gatekeepers The Bad Tweets from Michael Hobbes: Phoebe's Substack: CisheterodoxyPamela Paul's op-ed: The Far Right and Far Left Agree on One Thing: Women Don't Count - The New York Times This is a

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55:52

Apres Roe, Le Deluge

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/06/30

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss where babies come from, the fractured pro-choice movement, and how the recent Dobbs decision overturning abortion protections will force many many men, particularly Arnold Schwarzenegger, to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Links:The fall of feminism led to the fall of Roe - The Spectator WorldIn Defense of Pregnancy - The Bulwark This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus

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45:14

That's Not Funny

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/06/15

Kat is joined by Amna Khalid for a discussion of the Sonmez-Weigel media meltdown and what it means for free speech.Links:Amna's Substack: Banished by Booksmart StudiosThe Washington Post Fires Felicia Sonmez Amid Week of Infighting'I'm Radioactive'Court tosses out reporter's discrimination suit against Washington Post - POLITICO This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

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59:00

Mad About the Boys

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/06/06

Kat is joined by Iona Italia for a discussion about sleeping with younger men, why she writes personal essays, and what happens if you have all the right junk in all the wrong places.Links: Iona's substack: Cheri and the Last of Cheri Paperback - ColetteAreo Magazine This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

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Christie Smyth and the Pharma Bro Who Became a...

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/05/16

Early access for premium subscribers! Kat is joined by Christie Smythe to talk about serializing memoirs on substack, becoming Twitter's main character, and why she decided to document her romance with The Most Hated Man in America.Christie's substack: Previously on Feminine Chaos: The Journalist Who Fell For the Pharma Bro Is Publishing a MemoirJust Imagine Getting Dumped Like This!Who is Martin Shkreli - 'the most hated man in America'? - BBC NewsDrug Goes From $13.50 a Tablet to $750, Overnight -

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48:23

Public: All Kinds of Roe

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/05/09

Kat is joined by Liz Wolfe for a wide-ranging discussion about Roe v. Wade (and also, roe v. cod milt.) An extended cut of this conversation is available for premium subscribers.Links:The Politico scoop: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473Liz at Reason: Pro-Life Libertarians Can Cautiously Cheer the End of RoeKat at Unherd: Roe v Wade to fall Caitlin Flanagan's Atlantic piece: The Dishonesty of the Abortion Debate - The AtlanticEverything you always

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47:30

Early Access: The Complete Will Smith...

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/04/14

In light of certain events at this year’s Oscars ceremony, Sasha Stone is back to talk about why Will Smith’s ten-year Academy Awards ban isn’t totally a punishment, how the Oscars can come back from the most exciting thing that’s ever happened on its stage, and what it was like to be in the room during the infamous slap. (No exclusive content on this one but paid subscribers get it early!)Links:Will Smith Banned From Oscars For 10 Years; “Accept & Respect …Decision,” Actor Says –

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47:41

Everyone Is Doing Sex Wrong

Feminine Chaos ·

2022/03/28

Kat is joined by Christina Emba to talk about how some of you, we're not saying who, are doing sex totally wrong. An extended cut of this conversation was previously released on our Substack for premium subscribers.Links:Christine's WaPo essay: Opinion | Why we need a sexual ethic that goes beyond consent - The Washington PostRethinking Sex: A ProvocationChristine on "radical monogamy": Opinion | How radical is 'radical monogamy,' really? - The Washington PostKat on consent and transactional sex:

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