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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider"s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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51:07

Guiding the Real Estate Industry through the 5 Stages...

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/13

What is the aftermath of recent legal developments in the real estate industry? In this engaging episode, Rob and Greg explore the impactful Sitzer v. NAR case, guiding you through the stages of grief experienced by the industry. From denial to anger, and from bargaining to acceptance, Rob and Greg walk you through the importance of showcasing value and embracing adaptability amidst changing practices. It’s an episode you don’t want to miss! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on

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45:40

The Future of NAR: Can This Industry Titan Be Reformed?

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/06

Should NAR be reformed? What is the role of REALTORS in the lawsuit, and the value of membership in NAR? Join Rob and Greg as they answer these questions and the potential rebirth of the REALTOR movement, the importance of authenticity in communication, and the value of REALTORS sharing their authentic stories to connect with consumers. Plus Rob and Greg throw in their own doom and gloom predictions just to shake things up. Stay up-to-date with the real estate industry with this brand new episode of

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01:15:28

The Great NAR Debate: Sam DeBord Challenges Rob and...

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/29

On this episode of Industry Relations, Sam DeBord joins Rob and Greg, and things get a bit uncomfortable as Sam tries to set NAR’s record straight. Tune in as Sam and Rob have a testy disagreement on NAR’s competency, but at the end of the day display their passion for the industry. While Greg tries to keep the peace and believes everyone on all sides can do a better job. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow this link to subscribe to Industry

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47:05

NAR Conference Recap and Zombies

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/22

Join Rob and Greg on this episode of Industry Relations, as they recap the NAR NXT annual conference and explore some critical issues. Greg shares what NAR NXT's atmosphere was like, and find out why Rob is worried about independent press commenting on NAR. Also, discover the reasoning behind Rob and Greg’s beliefs that the real estate industry is way past prepping and the zombies are breaching the wall! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow

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55:27

NAR’s Response to the Sitzer Burnett Lawsuit: Jump...

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/08

It’s been a rough week for the real estate industry and in the aftermath of the Sitzer Burnett lawsuit, what does it really mean for everyone in the industry? Tune in to this episode of Industry Relations as Rob and Greg break down NAR’s response to the lawsuit. Find out why Rob believes a lot of people will abandon NAR and why Greg feels that this shouldn't be the spark that sets everyone off. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow this link to

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01:25:58

Verdict’s In Plaintiffs Win

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/01

Lots to unpack in this very special episode of Industry Relations. The Burnett/Sitzer commission lawsuit verdict is in! Rob and Greg share their initial reactions on the $1.785B in damages, what this means for the industry, copycat lawsuits and more in this recorded livestream. They answer viewers' questions and are joined by Mike Simonsen from Altos Research to provide some of his insights on what will likely happen next for the industry. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on

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44:05

The Sitzer Burnett Lawsuit: Reactions to Gary...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/25

Curious about the biggest takeaways from the high-stakes Sitzer Burnett lawsuit? Tune into the latest episode of Industry Relations and stay up-to-date with Rob and Greg as they dissect week one of the trial. Hear Rob and Greg’s reactions from Gary Keller's testimony, learn about key points in this case, and their insights on what the defense lawyers need to bring to the table. Get informed and stay up-to-date with this intriguing legal battle! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available

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58:57

Burnett v. NAR: The Lawsuit That Could Upend the...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/18

What if we told you that a high-stakes trial in the real estate and technology industry is about to unfold, with potential implications for consumers and the future of the housing market? Today, Rob and Greg are joined by Ed Zorn, Vice President and General Counsel at CRMLS, and they dive into the details of the ongoing Burnett v. NAR trial, exploring the various legal aspects and arguments that could lead to a major disruption for home sales. Join us as we discuss the application of the "per se"

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55:10

CMLS 2023 Recap and Would the Last Member Leaving NAR...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/11

How valuable is it to be a member of the National Association of Realtors? On this episode of #IndustryRelations, Rob and Greg discuss the value of being a member of the National Association of Realtors (NAR). Will the recent announcements of Redfin leaving and other franchisors taking away the requirement for franchisees being NAR members make a big difference in member count? Greg also shares his firsthand experience at this year's CMLS conference in New Orleans, providing insight into the current

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46:25

What Has Really Changed In The MLS Industry?

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/04

On this episode of Industry Relations Rob and I discuss what has really changed in the MLS industry. One thing that has always been a constant in the MLS industry is change. With technology rapidly evolving and consumer demands continuously shifting, it's no surprise that the MLS landscape is constantly adapting. But what does this mean for those working in the industry? Are there new skills or knowledge that are now required to succeed? Greg’s YouTube Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the

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43:21

The RE/MAX Settlement And What Happens Next

Industry Relations ·

2023/09/27

Catch the latest update on the RE/MAX Settlement and its impacts on the real estate industry. Join Rob and Greg as they dissect this essential development and discuss what the future of the industry holds. Gain an in-depth knowledge of this critical lawsuit and stay informed on its far-reaching effects. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the podcast on Stitcher Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s

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39:59

Blueprint Conference 2023 Recap

Industry Relations ·

2023/09/20

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg give a recap of the Blueprint conference in Las Vegas. What did they think? Hear why Rob wanted a bit more from the proptech sector and get an insider look at Greg's first time attending the conference. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the podcast on Stitcher Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors: Notorious VIP This podcast is

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46:09

Navigating the Realogy Settlement

Industry Relations ·

2023/09/13

Are you up-to-date on the Realogy Settlement? Rob and Greg discuss the settlement between Realogy and the Department of Justice, and explore potential second order consequences. Rob and Greg explore how this settlement can potentially affect major players in the real estate industry. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the podcast on Stitcher Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors:

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55:50

Understanding Personal & Institutional Responsibility...

Industry Relations ·

2023/09/06

Are you familiar with the recent stories of sexual harassment at NAR in The New York Times? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss how personal and institutional responsibility plays a role in these situations. Tune in to hear how they break down the differences between personal accountability and what role the institution plays in these matters. Follow this link to Rob’s article ‘Revealed Priorities of REALTOR Politics’. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available

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34:35

Rapattoni Outage: Lessons Learned

Industry Relations ·

2023/08/30

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the recent Rapattoni outage and what the big takeaways are from it. Everything from what caused the outage, how it was managed, and what actions need to be taken to prevent it from happening again! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the podcast on Stitcher Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors: Notorious VIP This podcast is

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48:44

Industry Relations Reaction: Rich Men North Of Richmond

Industry Relations ·

2023/08/23

Are you looking for an insightful reaction to the viral video “Rich Men North Of Richmond” and how it relates to the real estate industry? Tune into this episode of Industry Relations with Rob and Greg! They’ll provide their unique take on the video and explain how it applies to real estate. Follow this link for Oliver Anthony’s Rich Men North Of Richmond. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the podcast on

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54:25

Inman Connect Recap and Lawsuit Settlement Scenarios

Industry Relations ·

2023/08/16

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the key takeaways from Inman Connect 2023 in Las Vegas and the potential outcomes for ongoing industry lawsuits. Listen in for an insightful recap of the latest trends and news from the event, as well as settlement scenarios that could shape the future of real estate. Congrats, to our very own Greg Robertson for being the 2023 Inman Connect Nate Ellis Award. The Nate Ellis Award recognizes those in the industry for their community

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50:48

Breaking Down The SDAR Lawsuit

Industry Relations ·

2023/08/09

What are the potential consequences of the SDAR lawsuit? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the troubling allegations surrounding SDAR's lawsuit. Get the inside scoop on what's behind the allegations, plus what Rob and Greg believe members of SDAR should do. Don't miss this urgent discussion about one of the biggest legal battles in recent times! #SDARLawsuit Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Listen to the podcast on Apple

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45:05

Who Should Lead NAR?

Industry Relations ·

2023/08/02

Who do YOU think should be the leader of the National Association of Realtors? Is it more traditional leadership or something new and unique? In this thought experiment, Rob poses the question of who should lead NAR? Rob believes that NAR should abolish the CEO role and solely have a four year-term elected president with full executive power. On the other hand, Greg has different thoughts on the matter. Tune in to hear both sides of this important debate now! Listen to the Industry Relations

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38:51

Breaking Down Low Housing Inventory & Interest Rate...

Industry Relations ·

2023/07/26

With the already low housing inventory and a lot of homeowners having low interest rates how will that affect the future of the real estate industry? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg delve into the issue of the low housing inventory and the impact of potential interest rate lock-in. From the national perspective down to local markets, get an in-depth discussion of this vital issue. Thank you to our sponsor, Zenlist. To modernize your MLS visit zenlist.com for more information

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