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The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.

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35:37

Why Will Writes

The Gist ·

2022/09/14

After 50 years of columns, George F. Will realizes he writes in order to think. The Pulitzer Prize winner and author of American Happiness and Discontents discusses a political culture coming unmoored by degrees, and his stance on dungarees. Plus, MAGA-backed candidates will either damn their party or damn us all, and the tempting-but-deadly siren call of a pet kangaroo. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit:

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39:19

QAnon Shaman To His Left, Police To His Right

The Gist ·

2022/09/13

Luke Mogelson, author of The Storm Is Here: An American Crucible was right there in the Capitol when the insurrection brewed. He’s back to recount what he saw. Plus, there is a spate of fantastic news for children, combatants, and actresses in comedy series. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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36:48

Crashing The Capitol

The Gist ·

2022/09/12

New Yorker staff writer Luke Mogelson was inside the Capitol as the QAnon Shaman and other insurrectionists took over the Senate Chamber. He had been chronicling clashes with extremist groups for years, as chronicled in his new book, The Storm Is Here: An American Crucible. Plus, Kamala Harris makes an argument about MAGA hurting the United States’ standing the eyes of others, and does the U.S. TV viewer really care THIS MUCH about the Queen? Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at

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34:46

BEST OF THE GIST: Susan Orlean Extra + Juul To Pay...

The Gist ·

2022/09/10

In this installment of Best Of The Gist, some extra bonus content from our Wednesday interview with New Yorker staff writer Susan Orlean about her craft and the obituaries she’s been writing. And then we listen back to Wednesday’s Spiel about the recent $438.5 ruling against Juul for its role in marking vaping products to kids. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad

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44:29

Oz and Incest

The Gist ·

2022/09/09

A few years ago, Dr. Oz gave an interview about cousin incest. He was wrong, he just didn't know he'd be running for Senate 8 years later. Plus, it's a Vexillology corner with Ted Kaye. In the Antwentig, when is a good time for pushback and when does Mike let it go? Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist New American City Flags Survey NAVA (The North American Vexillological Association) has

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33:04

China Is Always Watching

The Gist ·

2022/09/08

Josh Chin, Wall Street Journal Deputy Bureau Chief in Beijing and co-author of Surveillance State: Inside China’s Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control, discusses just how effective the Chinese panopticon is, delivering government services to some, as it oppresses others. Plus, the special master decision gets a special appeal, and Queen Elizabeth’s passing results in an international outpouring. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the

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37:42

Susan Orlean Explodes Books

The Gist ·

2022/09/07

It might seem odd for Susan Orlean, the bestselling author of The Orchid Thief and the committed bibliophile behind The Library Book, to engage in the act of book explosion, until you realize that she’s not destroying printed word but, in fact, celebrating it as the new co-host of the podcast Book Exploder. Also, polls show Trump is exactly as disliked as he was last time we checked, and Juul pays the price for being so dang sweet. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at

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38:20

Beaver Hunt

The Gist ·

2022/09/06

Are beavers a plague to the natural world, or are they nature’s incredible engineers? Depends on who you ask, but, hey beavers, consider keeping a low profile for a while. Novelist A.M. Homes has yet to write a beaver book, but she’s out with a new offering, The Unfolding, in which she weighs into the most controversial of all subjects … politics. And Mike’s take on Jackson, Mississippi’s awful water mess. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on

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36:52

BEST OF THE GIST: Back To School Edition

The Gist ·

2022/09/03

With Labor Day (and back-to-school) upon us, on this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen back to a couple interviews from the archive about education. Back on May 23, 2018, Mike spoke with Sara Brownell, a neuroscientist and education researcher at Arizona State University, about what she found studying how gender affects students’ perceptions of their own intelligence. Then we listen back to Mike’s February 5, 2020 interview with public education advocate Diane Ravitch about her book Slaying

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39:02

Where Does The Arc Of History Really Bend?

The Gist ·

2022/09/02

Author of The Inheritors: An Intimate Portrait of South Africa’s Racial Reckoning, Eve Fairbanks joins us again to talk about the fate of white liberals, who fought alongside black South Africans to up-end the status quo, in the post-Apartheid era. Also, an analysis of the arc of history and in which way it really bends. Plus, a guest Spiel from Eli Lake, contributing editor at Commentary Magazine and host of the podcast The Re-Education with Eli Lake. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email

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37:46

Confronting South Africa’s Racist-Created Trauma

The Gist ·

2022/09/01

Author Eve Fairbanks joins us to talk about her new book, The Inheritors: An Intimate Portrait of South Africa’s Racial Reckoning, a story told through the eyes of three characters over the course of five decades as South Africa tried to end white supremacy. Plus, Mike reflects on the rise and fall of Andrew Dice Clay. And a guest Spiel on “Black-Pilling” from writer and podcaster Virginia Heffernan. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the

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38:29

Trump Impeachments: Behind The Scenes

The Gist ·

2022/08/31

In the second half of our interview with U.S. House of Representatives member David Cicilline, author of the newly released House On Fire: Fighting for Democracy in the Age of Political Arson, he discusses the two impeachments of Donald J. Trump from his perspective as an active player in those proceedings. Also, on the 600th anniversary of the death King Henry V of England, we remember his failed struggle with…um…dysentery. And finally, a guest Spiel from former Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

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39:17

A House Member Shouts “Fire”

The Gist ·

2022/08/30

David Cicilline is one half of Rhode Island’s two-member delegation to the U.S. House of Representatives, and while he may have been sent to D.C. by a small state, his contributions to the impeachments of Donald J. Trump were huge. Cicilline discusses his new book, House On Fire: Fighting for Democracy in the Age of Political Arson, and about growing up as the son of a criminal defense attorney who occasionally represented the mob, (and did so very well), and how his father’s work shaped his sense

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42:51

Sometimes ER Doctors Aren’t Sure Either

The Gist ·

2022/08/29

Jay Baruch is a Professor of Emergency Medicine at Alpert Medical School of Brown University and a practicing emergency physician who has just published a memoir or sorts titled Tornado of Life: A Doctor’s Journey through Constraints and Creativity in the ER. He discusses the flaws in our medical system, how COVID exacerbated them, and how a little empathy can go a long way. Also on the show, what Trump got right, and a guest Spiel from Meghan Daum, host of the Unspeakable Podcast. Produced by Joel

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33:28

BEST OF THE GIST: The Fall And Rise Of Adam Neumann

The Gist ·

2022/08/27

Adam Neumann, the once founder of WeWork, who was famously dismissed from the helm of his own company (many books and TV shows ensued), is back on the business scene. He recently received a $350-million check from venture capital firm a16z to help him launch his new project, Flow, which will focus on a sort of rent-to-own business model. But the check he received touched off a firestorm in the world of start-ups, where, many say, most of the investment capital goes to white men. In this installment

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44:05

To Pathologize, Or Not To Pathologize?

The Gist ·

2022/08/26

“Neurodivergent” is an important term in the modern study of the human brain, referring to those whose minds function differently from what we would consider “normal”—people diagnosed with ADHD or autism might be considered neurodivergent, for example. But, just as the term is important, it, and what it represents, is also somewhat controversial. Today on the show, a civil debate between Devon Price and Freddie DeBoer, two experts in this field, about the social and medical approaches to

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40:16

Why Atlanta Burned

The Gist ·

2022/08/25

The announcement that two police officers from Atlanta wouldn’t face murder charges for the 2020 shooting of Rayshard Brooks is justice. Two years on, we can more accurately assess what lit the match in that city in the wake of the shooting. Plus, we’re joined once more by former Aurora, Illinois Police Chief Kristen Ziman. Also, the right question to ask about student debt relief. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit:

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33:53

When A Mass Shooting Happens On Your Watch

The Gist ·

2022/08/24

On February 15, 2019 in Aurora, Illinois, a workplace dispute turned into a mass shooting. The gunman had prepared to battle the police responding, so it took technology and smarts to put an end to the chaos he created. We talk with Kristen Ziman, the police chief who led Aurora’s response and hear what that tragic day was like for those on the ground. Plus cats are taking over…Is that a bad thing? And who, exactly, leads the troops? Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at

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34:59

Senator Leahy On D.C.’s Brighter Days And Gotham’s...

The Gist ·

2022/08/23

After 48 years, Democrat Patrick Leahy of Vermont is leaving the Senate. In his new memoir, The Road Taken, he reflects on the institution he holds dear, and on the Gist, we make him pick the scariest Joker he ever faced down. Plus, WeWork’s founder’s new funding induced rage, and a Dr. Oz spokesperson stroke-shames their rival. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad

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34:25

What Do The Taliban Want?

The Gist ·

2022/08/22

Just past the one-year mark of the U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Taliban’s taking control of the country. How is the nation is faring under the leadership of Mullah Hibatullah Adhundzada, the supreme leader of the Taliban? With us to answer those questions and more is Jason Campbell, a former director for Afghanistan in the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Policy. Plus, an E. coli outbreak begs the question what kind of lettuce we order at Wendy’s, and Mike has some advice

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