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The Integrated Schools Podcast

Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn

Hosts, Andrew, a White dad from Denver, and, Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, dig into topics about race, parenting, and school segregation. With a variety of guests ranging from parents to experts, these conversation strive to live in the nuance of a complicated topic.

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53:54

Gifts We Didn't Expect: Family, Faith, and Integration

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/12/11

Albert is a Taiwanese American father of three from Oakland, CA. His parents immigrated to the United States to give him "best" education they could. As he came to terms with the school options his privilege afforded him, he found himself in crisis. How to honor his family and all they sacrificed, while also honoring the ways his faith called him to justice - called him to do something about the broken systems we live in. He shares his journey through a broadening definition of family, a conviction

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53:55

Parenting to Win: Who Pays for the Helicopter?

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2019/11/27

Intensive Parenting - helicopter, lawnmower, snowplow, free-range - is often pursued by white and privileged parents as a way to protect kids from failure and to ensure that they end up on the “winning” side of the vast economic inequality in our country. However, the ways that white and privileged parenting norms impact entire school communities often end up perpetuating existing disparities. We’re joined by Dr. Jessica Calarco, Associate Professor of Sociology at Indiana University, who studies

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46:08

Gentrification and School Segregation

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/11/13

We're joined by Dr. Kfir Mordechay, Assistant Professor at Pepperdine University and a research fellow at the UCLA Civil Rights Project to talk about gentrification and school segregation. This kick of to season 5 is a return to our usual podcast format of casual conversations, and this is one we've been wanting to tackle for quite some time. Gentrification comes up in discussions of school segregation all the time and we are fortunate to have Dr. Mordechay to help us think about the possibilities

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8:59

Support Integrated Schools on Patreon (BONUS)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/11/06

If you care about a multiracial democracy and if you believe that public schools are an important piece of this work, we need your support. This has been a volunteer effort and as our podcast is growing, and our desire to tell more stories and tell them better has grown, our costs have gone up. We aren't interested in trying to sell you toothbrushes in the middle of our episodes, and we'd like to find new ways to engage with you, our listeners. And so, we hope the Patreon platform will allow us to

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39:54

Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 5)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/10/18

Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.” Part 5 finds Beth starting her second year at the school across the interstate. Meanwhile, her district, like many across the country, is in the midst of some upheaval - declining enrollment, school closures, consolidation.

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35:14

Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 4)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/10/17

Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.” Beth and her daughters reflect back on the year at their new school -- the challenges, the differences, the joys. The transitions may not have been easy, but they all have felt a personal growth… and are learning about different

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26:39

Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 3)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/10/16

Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.” In part 3, we look back at a year that has been transformative for Beth -- but not necessarily in the ways she expected. From thinking about her role in the PTA, to her racial identity, to how she relates to her former school

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34:23

Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 2)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/10/15

Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.” In part 2, we find Beth two months into the school year grappling with the differences between the new school and the former one, trying to make sense of how she and her family fit into these two communities. Music in this

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29:52

Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 1)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/10/14

Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.” In Part 1 - Something feels very wrong… Beth wonders about her choice to send her two kids to the highly sought after school in her neighborhood. What does it mean for one family to make a different kind of decision? Music

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47:44

Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v. Bradley @ 45 (BONUS)

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2019/07/25

Today, July 25th, is the 45th anniversary of the SCOTUS ruling on the Milliken v. Bradley case. We’re joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on this important and under-appreciated case. Based in Detroit, this case functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board of Education at the city limits, allowing all-white suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-white schools. We talk about the history of the case,

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43:46

Busing: The Terms of the Debate (BONUS)

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2019/07/17

We're joined by Matt Delmont. He's the Sherman Fairchild Distinguished Professor of History at Dartmouth College, and he wrote the book on busing - 2016's Why Busing Failed: Race, Media, and the National Resistance to School Desegregation. Given the prominence "busing" has had in discussions about school desegregation, particularly in light of the exchange between Kamala Harris and Joe Biden at a recent democratic presidential primary debate, we thought we'd take a break from taking a break, and

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59:51

ICYMI: Seeing White (BONUS)

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2019/07/10

The Duke Center for Documentary Studies produces as podcast called Scene On Radio. From February to August of 2017, they released a 14 part series called Seeing White. Many discussions of race focus on anyone who isn't White, leaving Whiteness as the default, or the norm. This series, as they say, turns the lens around to look at Whiteness directly - what does it mean? where did it come from? We are thrilled to present some highlights from their series here, with some additional discussion of how

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29:39

ICYMI: The Miseducation Podcast (BONUS)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/06/26

While we are off preparing for a new season starting in the fall, we wanted to share a few of our favorite podcasts, so you don't forget about us. We regularly hear that we should include student voices, and, while we are working on that for a future episode, in the mean time, we're thrilled to be able to bring you an episode of The Miseducation Podcast. This is a student driven podcast from New York City, and we've been blown away by the insight these students have on the issues of

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51:56

Ep 23 - Grappling with Brown v. Board (BvB@65)

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/05/22

In this final episode of the series Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves, we take some time to grapple with the stories we have heard. Reflecting on what our guests have shared (Dr. Rucker Johnson, Dr. Noliwe Rooks, Dr. Amanda Lewis, David Hinojosa, Greg and Carol), we talk with Anna about what we have learned and where we go from here. For the path forward, why does it matter to distinguish between desegregation and integration, to decenter Whiteness, and to think about the

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52:59

Ep 22 - I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65)

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2019/05/15

In the fifth episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we step away from scholarship to take a moment to listen. I Hope They Hear it in Our Voices is a conversation with two Black parents who live in different parts of the U.S. and who have had very different -- yet very similar -- school experiences. Greg and Carol tell us a lot about how far we have (not) come since Brown v. Board, about how much work we still have to do, and the very real costs of “access to

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50:34

Ep 21 - Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/05/08

For the fourth episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we talk with Civil Rights attorney David Hinojosa. School segregation is too often painted as binary issue between Black and White people; learning other histories shows that this is far from true. Complicating the picture of what preceded and came as a result of Brown v. Board, David shares a history lesson on the segregation of Latinx communities across the US since the late 1800s. We discuss the politics of

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49:24

Ep20 - Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/05/01

Amanda Lewis (Despite the Best Intentions: How Racial Inequality Thrives in Good Schools, co-authored with John Diamond) joins us for this third episode of our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series. Dr. Lewis’sresearch takes her to a school that is desegregated on paper but segregated within the building. It is a school, like many, with “race neutral” policies that hide the very real racialized practices in the building. Add to that a dose of opportunity hoarding, and equitable

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48:51

Ep 19 - Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/04/24

For the second episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we talk with Dr. Noliwe Rooks(Cornell). Her book, Cutting School: Privatization, Segregation, and the End of Public Education, as well as some of her more recent research around the pushback to school desegregation from communities of color and the decimation of the Black teaching corps following Brown v. Board, provide context in which to understand the full range of outcomes from Brown v Board. While Dr

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46:15

Ep 18 - Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/04/18

As we approach the 65th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court case, Brown v. Board of Education (1954), we are pleased to present a special series looking at the stories we tell ourselves about Brown v. Board. The way we understand this case and its legacies do the work of making sense of our past and mapping out our future. With the brilliance of some amazing guests, we unpack some of these popular narratives and the ways in which they have undermined our ability to deal with racial and

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47:06

Ep 17 - Public Schools, Private Money

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/03/20

For the finale of Season 2, we're joined by Dr. Shelly Arsneault, Professor of Political Science & Public Administration at California State Fullerton, who is collaborating on an upcoming book called Our Kids, Our Money, and Our Schools: The Persistence of Inequality in Public School Finance. We discuss the many ways in which private money is funneled into public schools - which schools get it, what they use it for, and what the impact is on the overall system of public education. From PTAs to

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