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The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss

"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation." Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey. Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.

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00:50:19

Hiss Golden Messenger on omnivorous listening, tidal...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/06/14

Hiss Golden Messenger - the pseudonym for M.C. Taylor - has put out 14+ records since 2009 both independently and via Merge Records, including a Grammy nomination for Best Americana Record in 2019. We chat about the idea of creativity being tidal with ebbs and flows, how exercise and physical activity helps sustain creativity and touring stamina, and artists from The Grateful Dead to Public Enemy and De La Soul.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the

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00:50:01

Elizabeth Cook on living creatively, diversification,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/06/07

Elizabeth Cook has released 7 records, played the Grand Ole Opry 400+ times, hosts Apron Strings on Outlaw Country Sirius XM and Upstream on Circle TV, and is an occasional character on Squidbillies on adult swim (as Tammi). We talk to Elizabeth about her incredible diversity in her creative endeavors, her approach to creating in every facet of life, coming up in the Music Row publishing world and a whole lot more. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the

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00:56:57

Rodney Crowell on failure, knowing when it's done,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/05/31

Rodney Crowell is the definition of a legendary songwriter - he has multiple Grammys, 15 #1 singles (5 from 1 record), and everyone from Emmylou Harris to Bob Seger, Waylon Jennings, and George Strait have recorded his songs. He is also incredibly wise, and generous with his insights - we talk with him about failures, using vision quests to reset and recenter, defining success, and how Guy Clark taught him when to know a song is done.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of

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00:46:21

Osei Essed on being open, composing vs songwriting,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/05/24

Osei Essed is a film composer and songwriter who has scored films such as Crater (Disney), Unveiled: Surviving La Luz Del Mundo (HBO), The Lincoln Project (Showtime), and Period. End of Sentence (Oscar winner) as well as writing and fronting Brooklyn-based bands The Woes, and Big Hands Rhythm & Blues Band (Ropeadope Records). We talk about having goals and ambition but not being attached to the specific outcome, the similarities and differences between writing for stage (songwriting) and composing

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00:55:42

Mark Erelli on the ritual, learning from others, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/05/17

Mark Erelli has released over 16 albums, as well as being an in-demand sideman with the likes of Lori McKenna, Josh Ritter, Paula Cole, Amy Helm and others. We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, from how Mark reaffirms his commitment every day, to leaning on the combination of all of your experiences to get through tough situations, to how he learns from everyone he performs with, to the ritual of live music. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and

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00:56:07

Becca Mancari on owning your creative process,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/05/10

Becca Mancari is an indie folk artist who releases her own records and plays in Bermuda Triangle with Britney Howard (Alabama Shakes), as well as with Hayley Williams (Paramore). We explore the evolution of coping mechanisms, including changing your view of simple self-care as being weak, as well as the power of owning your entire creative process, and how shifting the language you use inwardly can be a catalyst for monumental change.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of

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00:45:39

Leyla McCalla on artistic lives as societal change,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/05/03

Leyla McCalla is a Haitian-American artist who releases records on Anti- Records, is a member of Our Native Daughters, and has been commissioned to create music in conjunction with research at Duke University. We talk about how living an artistic life, and demonstrating that to a younger generation, is a strong form of societal change, how she juggles immense projects as a mother of three, and how she weaves history and academia into her writing and creative process.Get more access, including

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00:42:49

Lucius on continual reinvention, building a team, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/04/26

Lucius have released 4 records of their own, as well as appearing on records with the likes of Roger Waters, Jackson Browne, The War On Drugs, Brandi Carlile, John Prine, Sheryl Crow, to name a FEW. We talk about how they juggle this insane schedule, partnership and collaboration, how they've constantly morphed and reinvented all while (and because of) keeping a loyal team behind them, co-writing for the first time, and the rejuvenating power in simple mundane chores.Get more access, including

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00:45:53

Joe Pug on prioritizing what's fruitful, tracking...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/04/19

Joe Pug sold 20,000 copies of his first record after handing out free sampler CDs, and has gone on to be a DIY champion with multiple records and a successful podcast - The Working Songwriter. We talk intricacies of running a business as a creative, prioritizing your time and attention throughout the creative process, career longevity, and the lessons in Dante's Inferno.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions,

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00:39:32

Lola Kirke on multiple creative careers, compare...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/04/12

Lola Kirke is an actress/musician who was in Mozart in the Jungle, Winning time and others, and who's latest record "Woman for Sale" is out on Third Man Records. We talk about staying sane while juggling 2 different creative careers, how art is about giving not receiving, and what is counterculture.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this

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01:00:28

Melanie Charles on the importance of exploration,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/04/05

Melanie Charles is a genre bending artist/songwriter/producer who's performed with artists from Wynton Marsalis to SZA. We talk about artist freedom, the power of curiosity and exploration, balancing advocacy and self-care, and solitude in your creative practice.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:Melanie CharlesMake Jazz

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01:15:12

BJ Barham on imposter syndrome, longevity, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/29

BJ Barham releases music as American Aquarium. We go deep on the power of sticking to it, mining the depths as inspiration, sobriety, and keeping everything in-house.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:American AquariumShip StationJoe PugHayes CarllRon PopePhil SterkMusicians CornerClick here to watch this conversation on

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00:47:07

Andrew Combs on challenging stereotypes, creating as...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/22

Andrew Combs is an acclaimed singer-songwriter from Nashville via Dallas, with records released via New West, Loose Music (EU) and independently, and has toured with Shovels & Rope, Caitlin Rose, and NPR's Tiny Desk. We discuss how common stereotypes of artists are wrong and even detrimental, the healing and rejuvenating power of simply creating for the sake of creating, meditation, and sobriety in the music industry.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and

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01:00:40

Aaron Lee Tasjan on inner voices, slowing down, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/15

Aaron Lee Tasjan is a Grammy-nominated songwriter, multi-record artist, and former member of bands such as The New York Dolls, Semi Precious Weapons, and Drivin n' Cryin. Here we talk about slowing down to do less more meaningfully, inspiration from finding alternate outlets for your creativity, and weathering tough seasons in life.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming

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00:59:47

Shovels & Rope on intentional creative time, creative...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/15

Shovels & Rope have released 9+ records, including collaborations with Brandi Carlile, Sharon Van Etten and more, have numerous late-night appearances and awards, and also started and curate High Water Festival. We talk with them about carving out time to be creative, having, growing and touring with a family, and the the unique strengths and vulnerabilities of creating in a partnership.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer

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00:50:16

Kyshona on holding energy, mission statements, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/15

Kyshona is an acclaimed singer-songwriter, music therapist, and session singer. We talk about the importance of listening to yourself, carving out down-time for yourself, and the power of mission/artistic statements.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:KyshonaYour SongCalendlyClick here to watch this conversation on

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00:49:52

Emily Scott Robinson on validation addiction,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/15

Emily Scott Robinson is a singer-songwriter with multiple records on John Prine's Oh Boy Records, and is a former social worker. Here we talk about the power of staying grounded in yourself and your needs, the endless hustle and grind culture of the business, validation addiction, mental health, and more.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at

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01:14:05

The Milk Carton Kids on knowing what you want,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/15

The Milk Carton Kids are a Grammy-nominated duo who have released 6+ records. We talk about defining what success looks like on your own terms, setting boundaries to open doors, record making, and plenty of tangents and laughs.Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.Links:The Milk Carton KidsLargoVera SolaClick here to watch this

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00:02:17

Trailer

The Other 22 Hours ·

2023/03/02

Podcast launches on March 15th with 5 episodes, and then continues weekly after that. Follow us on your social media of choice - @TheOther22Hours - for sneak peaks and guest announcements.Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside accessincluding exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

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