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All of the Above Podcast

All of the Above

Welcome to All of the Above, the show that gives you an un-standardized take on education! We"re your home for news and analysis of all the complex, relevant, and controversial issues impacting our schools today. Hosted by the super-dope duo of history teacher Dr. Manuel Rustin and principal-leader Jeffrey Garrett, two Black male lifelong educators based in Los Angeles. This is the podcast version of our video series. Check out the dopest education show on YouTube and subscribe to our channel at

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00:39:45

Soldiers in Class, HS Grads, and Other Solutions to...

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2022/07/30

This Week: What do Florida, Arizona, and Texas have in common? Well in this case it’s unusual, if tragic, “solutions” to the national teacher shortage. In Florida, good old Ron Desantis and company have decided that veterans should be able to teach with no credential. In Arizona, Gov. Doug Ducey and friends have decided that military service is not necessary, and folks who are simply enrolled in college should be enough. And not to be left behind, the teacher shortage has so heavily impacted rural

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00:37:21

Betsy’s Talking Reckless… Again - Passing Period #73

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2022/07/23

This Week: All of the Above’s #1 hater, and America’s greatest nemesis of modern public education is back in the headlines this week, and we’re gonna talk about her. You got it, captain guns-for-grizzlies herself, former Secretary of Education Betsy Devos said to a crowd in Florida that she thinks the department she was once head of should be abolished. As shocking as that might be, the real meat of the story is in unpacking why Betsy and company are coming so hard for teachers, curriculum, truthful

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00:39:02

Does it matter that 1 in 5 CA teachers aren’t fully...

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2022/07/10

This Week: A wonderfully click-baity piece in EdSource explores new data revealing that nearly 1 in 5 California teachers are not fully credentialed. This is, on some level, undeniably an issue. We expect our doctors to be board certified, our barbers to be licensed, our pilots to be licensed and trained, so what’s up with educators? But despite the shock value, there’s some important nuance behind the data. Does it mean what it sounds like? Is it even that big of a deal? Manuel and Jeff

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01:24:41

#92 - Humanizing Education w/ Chris McNutt and Nick...

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2022/07/02

Not gonna lie–-the political, environmental, and economic outlook right now is rather bleak. More than ever we need to ensure that our students have quality, humanizing spaces within which to learn and grow. But what does it actually mean to have humanizing schools and classrooms, and how can we shape a human-centric school system amid the wave of anti-human bills seeking to ban books, ban curriculum, and ostracize our most marginalized communities? Chris McNutt and Nick Covington, two super-dope

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00:38:30

We done slipped… the Supreme Court takes us back...

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2022/06/25

This Week: In what can only be understood as a horrid week in the history of American jurisprudence, the Supreme Court hands down two rulings that stand to do expansive harm to America’s children and school communities. In Carson v. Mankin the court decided that there is no longer a separation of church and state, and clears the way for public funds to be sent to religious schools. And in Dobbs.v Jackson Women’s Health, the Court overturned Roe v Wade, effectively outlawing abortion in half of the

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00:41:32

40 Years of Undocumented Student Rights in Schools -...

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2022/06/18

This Week: 40 years ago this week, the US Supreme Court handed down one of the most important immigrant rights decisions in its history in Plyler v. Doe. In a 5-4 decision the Court ruled, in a way that only an American court can, that undocumented immigrant children were in fact “persons” and that the Texas law effectively barring them from a free public education served no compelling state interest. Manuel and Jeff discuss this momentous anniversary, in light of the mounting effort by TX Gov

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00:42:23

Universal Pre-K, Universally Good… Right? - Passing...

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2022/06/12

This Week: It seems obviously simple. Give kids universal access to free pre-k and we will see positive outcomes. But some fascinating new data from NYC, paired up with data from the state of Tennessee, shows us a more complex picture. Why are the effects of pre-k so uneven, and is bad pre-k actually worse than no pre-k at all? Manuel and Jeff discuss. Oh, and Jeff rants momentarily on the travesty that is Rolling Stone’s ranking of the top 200 hip hop albums of all time. Get your All of the Above

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00:46:39

Uvalde, the insanity of Ted Cruz, and the real story...

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2022/06/04

This Week: Manuel and Jeff reflect on the tragedy at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX and how to process the continued incidents of mass shootings in America. We blast the distinguished gentleman from Texas, Ted Cruz, on his insane ideas for one hardened entrance at every school, and discuss the renewed efforts to arm teachers. Also, an EdSource article with a clickbait title causes us to assess the real story of the 2021-22 school year, the remarkable resilience and genius shown by America’s

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00:30:55

AOTA Live from Education Evolving’s Student Centered...

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2022/05/28

This Week: All of the Above is coming to your live, on the road from Jeff’s hometown of St. Paul, MN, at Education Evolving’s Student Centered Learning for Equity Conference! In this first-of-its-kind event we dig into two fascinating stories, chosen by the audience.First, we talk about a favorite topic of ours, teaching hard history, but through the lens of lessons we can learn from countries around the globe from how they tackle things from colonization, to apartheid, to the holocaust. Second we

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00:42:42

School Board Battlegrounds Lead to Mass Exodus -...

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2022/05/22

This Week: You’ve seen the crazy headlines - white folks up in arms over the “demonic” work of CRT in schools, a white mom suing her school district because her biracial child now sees himself as oppressed because of antiracist curriculum, and ongoing threats to school board members and their families. It’s rough out there for our schools! Particularly (but not exclusively) in the broad swaths of white America. A recent piece in the 74 Million profiles some of this madness in the state of MN and the

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01:18:21

#91 - Recruitment and retention of educators of color...

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2022/05/14

We’ve heard the rhetoric for years that educator diversity is important not only for students of color, but also for white students. This week we take a look at ongoing efforts to diversify our profession--paying particular attention to Jeff’s old stomping grounds of Minnesota! Minnesota may not immediately come to mind as a place where interesting work around this issue is happening, but our super-dope guests Mikisha Nation and James Barnett prove otherwise. Mikisha is the Executive Director for

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00:40:32

Is the Court Coming for Public Schools? - Passing...

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2022/05/07

This Week: the whole nation is abuzz with the news that the Supreme Court is planning to overturn Roe v. Wade, as it should be. But this is just step one. Manuel and Jeff discuss the ramifications of the Court paving the way for a cascading set of oppressive rulings removing constitutionally protected rights for marginalized groups including undocumented youth, LGBTQ youth, women and girls, students of color, and more. Also, the guys weigh in on the debate in CA over the UC system’s requirement of

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01:14:51

#90 - A Joyous and Just Education for All w/ NTOY...

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2022/04/23

The double-whammy of teaching amid a pandemic and being publicly slandered for alleged “indoctrination” and “grooming” has made this an especially tough school year for educators across the country. We could all use a reminder of the importance and promise of education, and who better to ground us than the phenomenally dope 2021 National Teacher of the Year, Juliana Urtubey!! Juliana is just the third special education teacher, the only bilingual special education teacher, and the first Latina since

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00:30:34

Happy Confederate Heritage Month… Wait, WTF?!?!??! -...

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2022/04/16

This Week: Manuel and Jeff keep tabs on the right wing effort to turn America’s public schools into an Orwell novel, with discussion of some truly astounding stories. First, the state of Mississippi declares April as Confederate Heritage Month, which they’ve done for the last 30 years, btw. Second, the Florida Dept of Education rejects nearly half of the math textbooks presented for approval on the grounds that they contained “references to Critical Race Theory (CRT), inclusions of Common Core, and

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01:13:02

#89 - Law Professor Yvette Butler and the...

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2022/04/12

The way folks are out here talking about “CRT,” you’d think it was the actual, literal devil. Well, we found one of the most unique individuals in all of American education to talk to us about the real Critical Race Theory. We’re joined by the one person teaching a law school course on CRT in the state of Mississippi–professor Yvette Butler of the University of Mississippi School of Law! We discuss the realities of teaching CRT, its implications for our K-12 education system, her state’s latest

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00:38:06

The Weaponization of Data: Preparing for the June...

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2022/04/02

This Week: The LA Times let everyone know that “nearly half of LAUSD students are chronically absent” this year. And, if you didn’t read the article (which in fairness, is pretty nuanced), and just saw the headline, you might be left with the idea that the teachers of Los Angeles were practically locking the doors of school in kids faces and telling the kids they can’t come to school. Sadly, the pressure for clickbait headlines is but one of many factors that is already leading towards a growing

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01:31:07

#88 - Is it time to de-track our schools? Featuring...

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2022/03/26

Advanced. Honors. GATE. Remedial. Foundational. Students have been “tracked,” or sorted and grouped by perceived ability level, into categories such as these for years. While some argue that tracking helps schools and teachers design instruction to meet the needs of students of varying ability levels, the data suggests that tracking has long resulted in racial inequities and de facto segregation within our school system. Dr. Eric Toshalis of KnowledgeWorks (who also happens to have been the O.G

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00:38:41

What We Wish We’d Gotten, And A Word of Advice To...

All of the Above Podcast ·

2022/03/19

This Week: Mauel and Jeff take a step back from the headlines and major policy issues of the world to reflect on two important questions. What is one area where we wish we’d gotten better preparation as a young teacher? And what is one nugget of advice we’d give to folks coming into the profession today? From seeking out trusted veterans, to intentionally honing your craft, the guys share their insights and wisdom on this profession we call teaching. Get your All of the Above swag, including your

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01:19:06

#87 - Pilot Schools and Innovation w/ Dr. Cynthia...

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2022/03/12

All that talk about “reimagining school” seems like a distant memory to a lot of us, but many folks are hard at work implementing innovative school designs that better serve our most marginalized communities. As we ditch masks and charge ahead into a new normal, what might districts across the country do to actually cultivate, enable, and support innovative approaches to school design and operation? This week we’re joined by Dr. Cynthia Gonzalez, who is the new Director of Pilot School Support for

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00:49:20

A Bad Week for White Nationalist Bigots Who Hate...

All of the Above Podcast ·

2022/03/06

This Week: Normally we love to get into deep, critical conversations about the wrongs of the world of education and how to right them. This week, we’re just gonna enjoy the forces of white supremacy, bigotry, and racist lies in school being on the defensive! Whether it was an anti CRT bill being defeated after scandalous neutrality on Naziism in the Indiana state legislature, the resignation of one of those legislators from a high ranking position at the College Board, Advanced Placement being

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