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The Integrated Schools Podcast

Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn

Hosts, Andrew, a White dad from Denver, and, Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, dig into topics about race, parenting, and school segregation. With a variety of guests ranging from parents to experts, these conversation strive to live in the nuance of a complicated topic.

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Ep 16 - Too Bad, Just Fine, and Whiteness Centered

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/03/13

In this episode we bring Anna back to grapple with a few things that have been on our minds of late. We discuss the David Kirkland episode (Ep. 14 -- be sure to listen if you haven’t!) and answer some listener questions. Dr. Kirkland cautioned us around the centering of whiteness in the work of integration. We dig in to that, as well as discuss the power of language in this work. Taking on a few listener questions, we grapple with whether a school is ever “too bad” and whether our kids being “just

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Ep 15 - Gifted, Talented and Segregated

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/03/06

Dr. Allison Roda (Molloy College) joins us to discuss Gifted and Talented programs and segregation. Gifted programs (sometimes called G/T, GATE, TAG, etc) have long been criticized for serving a disproportionately large percentage of white and/or privileged students. Dr. Roda’s research looks at how access to these programs is often ‘gamed’ by white/privileged families. In this episode, we discuss this research along with the the perceived importance of the label of “gifted” (and the stigmas of not

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56:45

Ep 14 - Kirkland on Integration

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/02/27

A thought leader on educational justice, Dr. David Kirkland (NYU) joins us for a meta discussion around school integration. He shares a powerful vision of integration from a racial justice framework; it is one that is grounded in democratic participation and the sharing of resources and one that involves us all in the deliberation of what counts as knowledge, the language of curriculum, and the fundamental design of education. Dr. Kirkland also encourages us to consider that integration is about

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47:58

Ep 13 - Hopes and Hazards of Dual Language

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/02/20

Dual Language programs are exploding in popularity across the country -- and particularly among white &/or privileged families in gentrifying communities. In this episode, we talk with Dr. Sofia Chaparro about her research following the establishment of one such program. Providing some overview of Dual Language issues, this conversation looks at the potential for these spaces as well as the ways in which things can go wrong. LINKS: Connor Williams on white families in bilingual schools. The

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52:38

Ep 12 - Whiteness vs Rightness: A Conversation on...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/02/13

In this episode we're joined by Kelly from NYC to talk about how we as white &/or privileged families show up in integrating schools. What does ‘colonizing’ mean in this context and, most importantly, how can we be thoughtful about not centering whiteness? We dig in to some of the ways integration can go sideways because of how integrating parents see things as “right” when they are often just “white” (&/or privileged). And we talk, of course, about nachos. LINKS: Tema Okun on White Supremacy

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Ep 11 - White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy

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2019/02/06

Professor and author, Dr. Elizabeth McRae, discusses her new book - Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy. This is a compelling history of the everyday work that white women have undertaken to promote and reinforce racial segregation in America’s public schools. While legislation dominates the discourse, Dr. McRae reveals the many ways that white women have been segregation’s “constant gardeners” We talk with Dr. McRae about what her research tells us about

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46:03

Ep 10 - Why My Choice Matters: Taking Back the...

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2019/01/30

We're back! After a break over the holidays, we're kicking off Season 2 of the Integrated Schools Podcast with a basic question - why does one person's choice matter? What impact does your choice have for your kid, for your school, and for the system. We've got Denise from Santa Fe back, and we try to dig in - does your choice change anything? If so, for whom? Is it integration when we are talking about ONE kid? And if it moves the needle towards integration, why does that even matter? It also

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Ep 9 - The Only One (Part 2): SMOG

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/12/19

Last week we talked about the fear we often hear around your kid being the "Only One" from the perspective of parents with kids who are currently in that position. In this episode, we look at it a little differently. Andrew looks back on his experience as the Only One white kid in his elementary school in a conversation with Erin, who reflects upon her experiences as the Only One black kid in her schools. The discussion, as adults with the perspective of time, highlights the ways that race impacts

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43:09

Ep 8 - The Only One (Part 1): SMOG

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/12/12

The Smog - is all of the things that we hear and say about schools and parenting that push us towards greater segregation. "I don't want my kid to be the only one" is one of these. It's a tricky subject, so we're going to break it up into two parts. Part 1- today's episode - is from the perspective of parents with kids who are currently the Only One. It can be challenging to navigate. We talk with Lauren from Pennsylvania about the experience for her, her two kids, and her family. It's not always

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46:02

Ep 7 - Vicky and The Saviors

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2018/12/05

Good intentions don’t always feel so good. In this episode, we talk with Vicky, a Mexican mom whose kids attend an integrated school in a gentrifying neighborhood. Vicky shares what it feels like to be “saved” by some of the white &/or privileged families at her kids’ schools (spoiler: not so great). Relationships are hard and trust takes time to build. And privilege, especially privilege unexamined, shows up in unexpected places. If you're enjoying this podcast, please consider making a donation

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BONUS - An Update on Integrated Schools

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2018/11/28

We couldn't pull off a full episode this week, but we did want to update you on all the other things happening at Integrated Schools. The Two Tour Pledge - sign on here. Mapping of how White &/or Privileged Families Interact with School Integration - our video overview. Parent to Parent Program - get connected with someone who is sending their kids to an integrating school. Or, just visit our website. If you're enjoying this podcast, please consider making a donation to Integrated Schools. We are

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Ep 6 - The Hidden Gem

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2018/11/21

There are lots of great schools without many white kids, however, when white parents start to integrate a global majority school because they think they've found a hidden gem, it can lead in some troubling directions. Anna from LA (you may remember her from Ep 1) joins us to discuss the problems that arise when we come to integration just looking for a hidden gem. We touch on the narrative around what makes a "good" school, and we discuss how the Hidden Gem story encourages resource hoarding and can

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45:31

Ep 5 - Interview with a Skeptic

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/11/14

A lifelong activist and 20 year veteran of nonprofit work, Chris Stewart has served as the former Director of Outreach and External Affairs for Education Post, the Executive Director of the African American Leadership Forum (AALF), and an elected member of the Minneapolis Public Schools Board of Education where he was radicalized by witnessing the many systemic inequities that hold our children back. He is the current chief executive of the Wayfinder Foundation, and an outspoken critic of many

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Ep 4 - Sacrificing on the Altar of Social Justice: SMOG

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/11/08

The Smog - is all of the things that we hear and say about schools, often without realizing the ways those things are racialized. “I don’t want to sacrifice my kid on the altar of social justice“ is just one of many. The podcast will occasionally feature smog-conversations; the only way the smog changes is if we engage with these ideas directly. We're joined today by Denise from Santa Fe, who has been a key contributor to this podcast already, and who you'll be hearing more from in future

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52:21

Ep 3 - Hagerman and the White Kids

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/10/30

Professor and author, Dr. Margaret Hagerman, discusses her new book - White Kids: Growing Up With Privilege in a Racially Divided America. Dr. Hagerman conducted an ethnography of a community in the mid-west. She spent two years living in a community and interviewing white, wealthy families and their middle school aged children on their ideas about race, education, privilege, etc. We discuss her work, and what it tells us about the importance of the types of environments in which we raise our

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44:01

Ep 2 - The Bordon Family

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2018/10/30

We're joined by the Bordon family - Jenny (mom), Scott (dad), and Olivia (10th grade). In choosing a school for their daughters, they started out following the narrative of how people with the privilege of choose a school should go about it. After a conversation with their school district about who has has that privilege and the segregation that results from it, they made a change and sent both of their kids to global majority schools. Many years later, they reflect on that journey and how it has

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40:30

Ep 1 - Intro to The Integrated Schools Podcast

The Integrated Schools Podcast ·

2018/10/30

Welcome to the Integrated Schools Podcast - Conversations about race, privilege, education, parenting and schools. This introduction gives an overview of Integrated Schools and what you can expect from this podcast. Courtney from LA, Anna from LA, and Sarah from Houston talk about their experiences choosing integrated schools, why IntegratedSchools.org exists, and the importance of showing up in integrating spaces with humility, and awareness. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest

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Welcome to the Integrated Schools Podcast (TRAILER)

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2018/10/28

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