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Emerging Form

Christie Aschwanden

Emerging Form is a podcast about the creative process in which a journalist (Christie Aschwanden) and a poet (Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer) discuss creative conundrums over wine. Each episode concludes with a game of two questions in which a guest joins in to help answer questions about the week"s topic. Season one guests include poets, novelists, journalists, a song writer, a circus performer, a sketch artist and a winemaker. emergingform.substack.com

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Episode 18: Creativity and COVID-19 with Helena de Groot

Emerging Form ·

2020/05/14

In Emerging Form’s ongoing series, Creativity and COVID-19, we interview creatives about how they’re channeling their creativity to cope with coronavirus. In this episode, we talk with Helena de Groot, a Belgian radio producer based in New York. She is the host and producer of Poetry Off The Shelf, an interview podcast for the Poetry Foundation. She also produces and sound designs The Paris Review Podcast, and edits the opera podcast Aria Code, produced in collaboration with WQXR, the Metropolitan

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8:23

Episode 17 Bonus: Shelter in Place

Emerging Form ·

2020/05/08

In this bonus episode, we bring you a special treat: an episode of Shelter in Place, a new podcast created by our guest this week on Emerging Form, Laura Joyce Davis. This episode is titled “The Call to Create.” Enjoy! Laura Joyce Davis Shelter in Place podcast This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit emergingform.substack.com/subscribe

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38:34

Episode 17: Creativity and COVID-19 with Laura Joyce...

Emerging Form ·

2020/05/07

This is the first of a new mini-series in which we explore this weird new reality we’re living in by interviewing a variety of creative makers about how they’re channeling their creativity to cope with the new coronavirus. In this episode, we talk to Laura Joyce Davis, a writer from Oakland, California, host and creator of a new daily podcast, “Shelter in Place: finding daily sanity in a world that feels increasingly insane.” We talk about the challenges of balancing parenting and work; how

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25:05

Episode 16 bonus: An extended interview with Rose...

Emerging Form ·

2020/04/30

Welcome to our extended conversation with Rose Eveleth, the founder and host of Flash Forward, a podcast about the future. In this bonus episode, we talk with Rose about clarity: how she uses it to guide a project through growing pains. We’ll talk about her process for making monthly goals (so much more useful than a single New Year’s resolution!), how she organizes her goals, about her new book, pros and cons of inviting collaborators in, how ego and fear can sabotage a project, how she loves her

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5:24

Episode 16 bonus: poems for life during the...

Emerging Form ·

2020/04/23

In this five-minute bonus, Rosemerry reads four poems responding to the coronavirus pandemic: A Change in the LightThe Afternoon the World Health Organization Declares a PandemicStaying HomeTucking in My Daughter in the Time of Corona VirusRosemerry’s Daily Poem Blog, A Hundred Falling Veils This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit emergingform.substack.com/subscribe

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29:22

Episode 16: Growing Pains (with Rose Eveleth)

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2020/04/23

At some point, most creatives experience growing pains--when your project is going well and now you have decisions to make about whether to grow it, to bring in collaborators, or to expand your reach. We’ll also talk about avalanches of opportunity and money grubbing poets. Our guest this episode is the inimitable Rose Eveleth. She is the producer and host of Flash Forward, a podcast about the future. We’ll ask her two questions: 1) When do you know your project has grown beyond something you can do

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25:38

Episode 15 Bonus: An Extended Interview with Scott...

Emerging Form ·

2020/04/16

In this bonus episode we talk with psychologist and author Scott Barry Kaufman about the imagination network--the default chatter in your brain--and how valuable it is. We also talk about paradox, and the tug between a longing for external validation and the need to look inward for creative growth. We talk about openness to experience as a key driver for creativity, and how a rut can sometimes serve the greater creative process. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other

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31:00

Episode 15: From rut to self-actualization (with...

Emerging Form ·

2020/04/09

Are you living up to your creative potential? Or are you stuck in a rut? Could it be that the rut is serving you? These are some of the questions we wrestle with in this episode of Emerging Form. We talk about Christie’s sweet spot between struggle and boredom, how fencing (or another new activity) might supercharge your creative process, and LOTS of tips on how to get out of a rut. We finish, as always with a guest. This episode features Scott Barry Kaufman, a psychologist at Columbia University

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26:16

Episode 14 bonus: An extended interview with Sarina...

Emerging Form ·

2020/04/02

In this bonus episode, we continue our conversation with USA Today best-selling author Sarina Bowen, who has written more than 30 contemporary novels and is cohost of the #amwriting podcast. She tells us the most important thing to remember when we think we are utterly stuck and shares with us tools from her “deep bag of tricks” for how to get unstuck. We also talk about how genre writers are like chefs, and she shares stories about three collaborative writing projects and what they taught

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44:49

Episode 14: Creative work in the midst of COVID-19...

Emerging Form ·

2020/03/26

Like a lot of life plans over the past few weeks, this episode veered from our original schedule. We’d planned to discuss the joys and challenges of creating things with friends, but instead we found ourselves talking about these strange times. In this emergency episode of Emerging Form, we talk about how COVID-19 is changing what and how we write, and how it’s affecting all kinds of creative careers. Warning: we get a bit emotional at times. Topics include toilet paper hoarding, coronavirus

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28:21

Episode 13 Bonus: An Extended Interview with Claire...

Emerging Form ·

2020/03/19

In this bonus episode, we talk with memoirist and essayist Claire Dederer about the role of ambition in a writer’s life. She also discusses the different ways she responds to rejection, and how it differs when it comes from a professional source versus from a reader. She also talks about the writer’s imperative to write about difficult subjects, why it’s important it is to have clarity and distance before sharing difficult personal stories, how domestic labor can affect a writer’s work life and how

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36:23

Episode 13: How to Handle Rejection (with guest...

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2020/03/12

“We’re sorry, your work does not suit our needs at this time.” These words are so common. Rejection is a difficult reality for most (all?) writers and artists. So how do we handle rejection? Can we use it to improve our work? What does it have to tell us and teach us? In this episode, we talk about a useful phrase in the face of rejection, Christie’s Southeast Asia Problem, and one of the poetry worlds’ best rejection letter writers. Then we’ll talk with memoirist and essayist Claire Dederer and ask

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21:58

Episode 12 Bonus: An Extended Interview with Sarah...

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2020/03/05

In this bonus episode, Sarah Knight talks about the four kinds of yessers, how she went from overachiever to having a fully operational no muscle, how to build “the gates of hell no” and then cultivate your own private “okay corral,” the calming effects of pina coladas, how her daily tweets might help you discover and maintain your own boundaries, and more. **Please note that this episode contains language that may not be suitable for kids. (See title of Sarah’s book…)Guest: Sarah Knight JUST SAY

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32:42

Episode 12: Saying No (with guest Sarah Knight)

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2020/02/27

It’s only two letters long, but the word “no” can be one of the hardest words to say out loud. In this episode, we talk about why no is every bit as important a word for a creative as yes. We’ll talk about earthworms, the trifecta of yes, how to strengthen your no muscle and Christmas candles. Then we interview the international bestselling “anti-guru” Sarah Knight, author of the No F*cks Given guides and ask her these two questions: 1) How do you decide when to say no? And 2) What’s the best way to

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Bonus episode: extended interview with Thea Deley

Emerging Form ·

2020/02/20

In this bonus episode, we continue our conversation with Thea Deley about creating on emotionally difficult topics. Thea talks about the one woman play she created about her struggles with her family and their religious belief system and about the issues that arise when addressing personal issues through art. Thea Deley (photo of Thea by Mike Maxwell) This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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Bonus: Rosemerry reads a poem she wrote for a dying...

Emerging Form ·

2020/02/14

As Mentioned in the Podcast: In this week’s podcast, we mentioned a poem I wrote about my dear friend Sally Estes when she was told she had three months to live. Here I am reading the poem. It’s also printed below.They Say It’s the Best Bloom in Ten Years —Rosemerry Wahtola TrommerShe wants to go see the bluebonnets, she says.This is after she tells me they’ve said she has three months to live.And I want to find her vast fields of bluebonnets,acres and acres of white-tipped blue bloom.And I

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34:20

Episode 11: Working with Emotionally Difficult Topics...

Emerging Form ·

2020/02/13

Engaging in a creative project can be hard enough when the subject matter is fun. But what about when it’s emotionally taxing, too? In this episode, we talk about many techniques for working with topics that make us uneasy—from changing perspective to creating rituals. Then we talk with Thea Deley, speaker, writer and improviser, and ask her two questions: 1) When do you know you are ready to write about something difficult—what is the role of perspective, and 2) How do you navigate stories that

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14:33

Episode 10 Bonus: Extended interview with Sherry...

Emerging Form ·

2020/02/06

In this bonus episode, Sherry Richert Belul, happiness coach and founder of Simply Celebrate, talks with us about co-founding Secret Agents of Change, how even the way you walk to the office can be playful, and how it is that she came to find herself a happiness coach. Want to make sure you receive every bonus episode? Subscribe to our newsletter! This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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33:46

Episode 10: The Power of Play (with guest Sherry...

Emerging Form ·

2020/01/30

What does play have to do with creativity? Could a hula hoop help you finish your book project? In this episode, we argue about what is play, anyway—is it something you set time aside for? Or something that is always available to you? And how might it help your creative life? Then we are joined by author and happiness coach Sherry Richert Belul to get her take on our two questions: 1) How does play inform your creative process? and 2) What’s an example of a project that has been shaped by play? We’d

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35:35

Episode 9: How Should We Think About Awards & Contests?

Emerging Form ·

2019/05/30

Why should you enter a contest? Even if you don’t win, how might it help you? And what are downsides of entering? In this special episode, recorded live at the Telluride Lit Fest just before the announcement of the Fischer and Cantor Prizes, w talk about big juicy tomatoes, how judges make decisions, why the … Continue reading Episode 9: How Should We Think About Awards & Contests? → This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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