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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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09:51

Calamos' Bush: Convertibles haven't delivered on...

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2022/10/07

Robert Bush, senior vice president and director of closed-end products at Calamos Investments, says that convertible securities -- a hybrid product built to give investors the best of stock and bond performance -- have not been giving investors their cake and letting them eat it too this year, underperforming both stocks and bonds, but he says that positive returns to the end of the third quarter and the way convertible funds have held up relative to fixed-income funds suggests that convertibles

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10:13

Choose your weapons: Arming yourself against rising...

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2022/09/30

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors -- the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance -- discusses and compares floating-rate and senior loan funds with preferred-securities funds, noting that floating-rate funds are a tool for combating high and rising interest rates, while preferred equities are a good weapon for battling a recession. As a result, investors in today's complex market may want to "split the ticket," using both types of funds to bolster their

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12:27

Validus' Mark Scalzo discusses 'direct listing,'...

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2022/09/23

Mark Scalzo, chief investment officer at Validus Growth Investors -- portfolio manager for the newly listed Destra Multi-Alternative Fund -- discusses the outlook for alternative investing, the process his fund went through in changing its status and becoming one of the few new listings on the New York Stock Exchange this year, and how that conversion and some other factors have led to a discount that is much bigger than average or than most closed-end fund investors would expect.

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11:46

Trinity Capital's Brown on double-digit yields and...

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2022/09/16

Kyle Brown, president and chief investment officer at Trinity Capital, explains how the company's structure helps to support double-digit yields and makes them more secure than other high-yield investments, but also discusses the business development company's exceptionally high yield relative to the rising interest rate and high inflation rates of today. He also talks about how those conditions impact the high-growth, venture-backed, early-stage companies that Trinity finances.

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10:47

Angel Oak's Pate: Aggressive Fed actions puts...

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2022/09/09

Cheryl Pate, senior portfolio manager for the Angel Oak Financial Strategies Income Term Trust, says that community banks stand out as a part of the financial sector that is poised to benefit into 2023, as banks will likely see the bulk of continuing rate hikes fall directly to the bottom line. Even with that boost, however, she favors bank debt right now compared to holding bank stocks, noting that banks had an excess of deposits generated during the pandemic period and that is being flushed from

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10:51

Abrdn's Duitz: Recessionary pressure is good for...

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2022/09/02

Josh Duitz, deputy head of global equities at Abrdn -- portfolio manager for Abrdn Global Infrastructure Income and two of the firm's dynamic dividend funds -- says that the macro drivers for infrastructure -- globalization, upgrades and repairs, urbanization and increased demand -- coupled with current inflationary pressures have created an environment that is solid for recession-resistant infrastructure stocks. Meanwhile, with rising interest rates pushing demand higher, dividend stocks have been

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11:54

Protections in Delaware law could change activist...

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2022/08/26

Kenneth Burdon, an attorney in the investment management group at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, says the new "control share" statute enacted at the start of August by the state of Delaware should protect should protect investors from activist investors acting like corporate raiders trying to force a pop to net asset value without regard to what the broad group of shareholders is interested in. The law forces further negotiation between the board and outsiders, Burdon says, giving directors

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10:03

VettaFi's Islam talks the benefits of an index of...

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2022/08/19

Roxanna Islam, associate director of research at VettaFi -- which developed the the S-Network Composite Closed-End Fund Index and other benchmarks for the closed-end fund space -- discusses the construction of indexes of closed-end funds and the benefits to using them over individual issues, as well as how passive investing in the space has held up against active management during the rough start to the year.

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11:50

Sit's Doty sees current market creating a sweet spot...

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2022/08/12

Bryce Doty, senior portfolio manager at Sit Investment Associates, says that the market's troubles this year have set closed-end funds up to be in a sweet spot, able to generate additional returns that traditional mutual funds and ETFs can't get investing in the same spaces. Despite those potential benefits, Doty acknowledges that most investors shy away from closed-end funds for a lack of understanding, and also miss out on the benefits of running closed-end funds as a portfolio or bucket of money,

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10:37

The difference between funds with discounts or...

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2022/08/05

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses some equity and fixed-income funds currently trading at premiums and compares them with similar funds priced at a discount, noting that expenses, payouts and more determine relative values. Further, he notes that when the market takes a dive and discounts widen, investors should consider whether the best bargain is the fund with the widest discount or the fund

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11:35

Nuveen's Ryan: Municipal bonds have stabilized and...

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2022/07/29

Portfolio manager Tim Ryan of Nuveen -- who runs the Nuveen Dynamic Municipal Opportunities closed-end fund -- says that after a miserable first half of 2022 that lagged Treasury bonds, conditions have stabilized for muni bonds, which now have a more attractive yield curve and offer a better investment opportunity than Treasuries. Ryan says that the first-half selloff was more about technicals than about the quality of the underlying municipal bonds, which means that when the interest-rate picture

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12:49

Private equity zags in market where everything is...

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2022/07/22

Timothy Reick, chief executive officer at Liberty Street Advisors -- advisor to the Private Shares Fund -- says that private equity is an asset class that is not correlated to the broad stock market, and that individual investors largely overlook its potential role in their portfolios. Reick notes that with private companies waiting much longer both in terms of time in business and the asset size they grow to before turning to public markets -- if they ever go that route -- investors will find a

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11:37

John Cole Scott: Expect 'upside surprises' for BDCs...

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2022/07/15

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that business-development companies -- which are built to handle a four-year business cycle -- are looking at positive surprises as second-quarter earnings season arrives. From July 26 to August 10 -- when the bulk of BDCs will report earnings -- Scott says that BDC discounts are currently about 13 percent wider than media discounts have been over the last two

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11:41

Rob Shaker: 'Sympathy widening' could signal a bottom...

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2022/07/08

Rob Shaker, portfolio manager at Shaker Financial Services, says that the closed-end fund market showed signs of a "sympathy widening" in mid-June, an event when there is "excessive liquidation selling based on fear," leading to a bad day on the stock markets and bond closed-end fund discounts widening at the same time. Shaker says it can be a sign of a market bottom, which can lead to a bounce-back; still, he says, markets remain fragile and there could be more excessive selling again, though it

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11:04

XA Investments' McCulloch sees more growth, new...

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2022/07/01

Ben McCulloch, managing director and general counsel at XA Investments, says that the last five years have seen over $40 billion in growth in interval funds and tender-offer funds, and that interest has attracted more fund sponsors -- including companies that have been heretofore more focused on ETFs -- and more new ideas. That has brought with it increased regulatory scrutiny, as the Securities and Exchange Commission is evaluating what kinds of alternatives -- particularly with private-equity and

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09:56

CEF Advisors' Scott: No time like the present for...

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2022/06/24

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, returns to The NAVigator to answer questions frmo listeners, including one on whether it makes sense to do tax-loss selling now rather than waiting for the traditional period for making swaps at the end of the year. Scott recommends closed-end fund investors tap their "tax assets" when they are valuable, and losses in today's market can be turned into a benefit easily

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11:42

Nuveen's Holzenthaler: Surprise, it's 'a buyer's...

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2022/06/17

Larry Holzenthaler, investment strategist and analyst for Nuveen, says that "floating rate loans actually look arguably cheap to us today," acknowledging that it's surprising that the asset class is trading at a discount "in the middle of one of the most brutal rate-hike campaigns we have ever seen." Holzenthaler -- who also covers the high-yield space -- says that senior loans have been one of the few places where investors have avoided much of the pain in the fixed-income markets, making them

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15:03

Pre-market SPACs offer unique opportunity, given...

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2022/06/16

In this bonus episode of The NAvigator, Jonathan Browne, director of research at Robinson Capital and portfolio manager of the Robinson Funds talks about how balancing closed-end fund investments with pre-market SPACs [special-purpose acquisition companies] creates opportunities for higher yields with diversification that helps to balance out risks.

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11:55

EIP's Brothwell: Energy market amid supply woes...

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2022/06/10

Sam Brothwell, director of research at Energy Income Partners, says that the current cycle of under-investment in capital spending has made it harder for energy producers to respond to the current global supply-demand imbalance; that has pushed energy prices -- for oil, natural gains, electricity and alternatives -- dramatically higher, where they are likely to stay, even as energy companies work to increase capacity and respond to market conditions. Brothwell says that investors should respond to

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12:43

Five 'plain vanilla' closed-end funds for these markets

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2022/06/03

With the volatility and downward pressure in the market pushing many investors to specialty funds, sector offerings and alternatives, John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance returns to the NAVigator this week to talk about some funds that are more basic in strategy, core holdings by nature, and highlights five that represent good values and opportunities now.

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