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Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

Legal Talk Network

Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law"s Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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29:01

The Civic Duty Of Lawyers To Speak Out When The...

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2022/04/14

There's not an explicit rule of professional responsibility for this, but the general commandment to serve the public ought to stretch far enough to keep the Court from running a propaganda arm. Amy Coney Barrett blasted a sound byte reassuring the public that the Court isn't a corrupt, partisan institution because it issues "opinions," knowing full well that she was about to obliterate half a century of environmental regulations on the strength of an unsigned paragraph that very week. We also have

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30:31

Law School Rankings And The Grain Of Salt You Need

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2022/04/06

US News and World Report released its annual law school rankings last week and delivered chaos upon the legal world, dropping Harvard from its top three perch. As we break down some key insights from the rankings, we remind everyone not to get too hung up on these numbers. Speaking of numbers that lawyers should get hung up on, it looks like a lawyer screw up cost a bank around $600M so that's not great. And speaking of being the opposite of great, unhinged text messages from Ginni Thomas raise

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30:43

Your First Amendment Right To Sit Quietly And Not Say...

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2022/03/30

Free speech is rarely pretty. But there was no shortage of hand-wringing last week over Yale Law students who -- checks notes -- protested an event and then left promptly when asked by faculty. If that doesn't sound bad, but that's because you're not vested in the ongoing effort to redefine free speech as protecting the people with microphones and punishing dissent. We also talk about a wildly inappropriate in-house counsel and the story of a town that ticketed an elderly couple to the tune of $30K

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28:00

Biglaw Firms Learning The Hard Way That Some...

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2022/03/23

Before its fight with AT&T is over, One America News will owe Vedder Price a good deal in billables. But is it worth it for Vedder Price? The gang discusses the pros and cons of taking on civil work -- especially questionably winnable work -- for unpopular clients when other clients are begging for a squeaky clean counsel reputation. Meanwhile, law enforcement routinely pushes probable cause to the limit, but arresting 64 people for an ounce of weed proved too far. Finally, remember to vote in the

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26:15

A Journey Of (e)Discovery

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2022/03/16

Joe and Chris discuss the latest nonsensical efforts to derail Ketanji Brown Jackson's nomination and ask the audience to guess which baseless attack comes next. They also breakdown the happenings between ABA TECHSHOW and Legalweek 2022, which marked Chris's first foray into the wild world of legal technology. And Joe has a nasty non-COVID cold that he caught at these shows so don't let that throw you off. Special thanks to our sponsor, Posh Virtual Receptionists, LLC.

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28:32

The Least Interesting Thing About Ketanji Brown...

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2022/03/09

Cravath proved they’re still the Biglaw compensation leader by coming over the top of Davis Polk’s raises. Now the question is — who will follow them? Which lawyers are still working for Russia? A British politician goes ahead and NAMES NAMES. The dog whistles are getting LOUD: it sure is interesting that the only Supreme Court nominee that is fielding questions about her LSAT score is a Black woman. Special thanks to our sponsor, Posh Virtual Receptionists, LLC.

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28:44

The Undebatable Qualifications Of Ketanji Brown Jackson

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2022/03/02

As it happens, all three of your hosts competed on high school or college debate teams. So did Ketanji Brown Jackson. This is why you should just turn over your whole governance to the people making jokes about "uniqueness." We also talk about law firms disentangling themselves from Russia and the retrograde nonsense of the Virginia Bar Exam. Special thanks to our sponsor, Posh Virtual Receptionists, LLC.

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25:47

Let The Salary Cavalcade Commence

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2022/02/23

After weeks of waiting, Davis Polk enters the salary increase game and re-raises, offering higher numbers for mid-level and senior associates. Is this the new normal, or could the market sustain one more shock to the system? Meanwhile, "Hobbit Law" aficionado Paul Davis gave Business Insider an interview that reads suspiciously like a rehabilitation attempt from a thoroughly embarrassed lawyer. Finally we discuss the latest Voting Rights Act case out of Arkansas and the trouble with judges getting

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27:30

Tales From The Shadow Docket

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2022/02/16

The Supreme Court returned to the shadowy depths to issue a 5-4 ruling allowing a racial gerrymander to continue through the next election. The Chief Justice dissented, lamenting the idea that a shadow docket ruling could effectively rubberstamp a "freebie" violation of the Voting Rights Act. You know... we used to have a mechanism to prevent this sort of thing, JOHN. We also discuss the latest Georgetown Law racial slur incident, which mercifully didn't end in bad "academic freedom" takes. And we

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27:52

Still Coughing Up Bad Decisions

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2022/02/09

Taking its lead from Neil Gorsuch's Supreme Court shenanigans, a Fifth Circuit panel told attorneys to go maskless. In Louisiana. The state that just edged past New York in COVID deaths per million. Though at least some of its judges care enough about freedom to respect the judgment of counsel. Joe Rogan is still, unfortunately, in the news and he's basically the poster child for how little people seem to understand about free speech. Meanwhile, the Milbank raises still have a lot of notable

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30:40

Supreme Court Vacancy Inspires All Sorts Of Awful

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2022/02/02

Stephen Breyer plans to step down at the end of the Term. But we didn't get much time to celebrate his legacy before the national conversation shifted to denigrating his hypothetical replacement. Georgetown Law found itself thrust into the center of the story when its newest hire branded Breyer's not-yet-chosen successor as a "lesser Black [woman]." Speaking of law schools dealing with racism, Penn Law professor Amy Wax says she's not retiring amid a disciplinary inquiry into what the dean describes

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27:52

Let's Talk Raises!

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2022/01/26

Just when you thought law firm salaries had settled into a nice equilibrium, Milbank announced another round of base salary hikes and the whole cycle began again. But with some notable hold-outs, the industry is left wondering if this is the last word on the matter or if another raise is on the horizon. We also talk about Elon Musk's effort to get a law firm to fire an attorney for being mean to him when he was back pushing the envelope of SEC regulations, and a state judge who refused to get

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36:51

Stupid Or Wrong?: The Neil Gorsuch Conundrum

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2022/01/19

Elie Mystal rejoins the Thinking Like A Lawyer crew to reflect on how Neil Gorsuch chose stupid over wrong and the bizarre fixation his acolytes have on doubling down in his defense. Justice Gorsuch asked the government why COVID amounted to an emergency when the flu kills a comparable number of people. The thing is, it doesn't. But rather than be wrong, Gorsuch contends he said something else... that makes no sense and, if true, makes him look stupid. Quite the quandary!

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30:30

Anti-Vaxxer Law -- The Last Refuge Of The Scoundrel

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2022/01/12

Yale Law School's Jed Rubenfeld isn't letting his suspension following a sexual harassment investigation slow down his quest for the spotlight. And while media outlets don't need to invite the scrutiny by inviting a suspended professor to talk about run-of-the-mill legal takes, the Wall Street Journal is ready to roll out the red carpet for anyone willing to provide spicy "vaccines are socialism" takes! Pairing with an award-winning virologist also at the nadir of his professional standing,

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32:05

The John Roberts Webinar Of Power

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2022/01/05

The Chief Justice released his year-end report on the federal judiciary and informed us that everything is fine and there's nothing to see there. While multiple issues threaten the legitimacy of the courts, Roberts assured the country that he's got some webinars that can solve everything from sexual harassment to market manipulation. Alan Dershowitz also closed off 2021 with not one, but two embarrassing TV appearances as he struggles to maintain relevance. Welcome to 2022! Special thanks to

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30:49

The 2021 Year End Spectacular

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2021/12/29

We've made it through another year. Well, almost. We probably shouldn't start counting our bats and pangolins before they've hatched. Joe and Kathryn look back at the wild ride of 2021 and make some predictions about what 2022 holds. Also... it's that time of year to send in your Lawyer of the Year nominations. Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

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27:35

Judge Gets Testy... Becomes Former Judge

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2021/12/22

As the year winds down, folks seem a little extra agitated. A judge called her colleagues names and got booted from the bench. A partner bailed on his firm rather than get the scientifically proven vaccine. Meanwhile the legal press jumped on news of another round of salary raises as an extra dose of year-end drama that didn't actually happen. 2021 is bad enough, folks... don't try to make it any extra. Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

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31:04

Incredibly Insecure Biglaw Firms

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2021/12/15

Last week, a handful of Biglaw firms contacted Above the Law trying to rewrite their whole firm image. International firms still headquartered overseas trying to rebrand as American and firms historically embraced as for growing up outside the NYC white-shoe culture wanted to be portrayed as Knickerbocker blue bloods. Who thinks this will work? Also, we discuss Latham's holiday party COVID debacle and have an extended discussion of the canons of statutory interpretation and the Formula 1 season

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27:30

Biglaw Bonus Barrier Breached Bigly

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2021/12/08

After more than a week of wondering when firms would start playing follow the leader with Biglaw bonuses, Davis Polk finally set a standard that the rest of the industry felt comfortable following. In unrelated large firm news, Cravath announces a change to its partnership model... could this be the final nail in the lockstep compensation coffin? Joe, Kathryn, Chris also talk about a salty exchange between Ninth Circuit judges and holiday gifts for lawyers. Special thanks to

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31:14

Bonus Season Stumbles Off The Line

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2021/12/01

We thought we entered Biglaw bonus season last week, but after Cravath rolled out a higher bonus schedule, the majority of firms responded with silence. What's going on, and is someone finally going to break that logjam? We also talk about the verdict in the Arbery murder and continue last week's discussion about the troubling balancing act when it comes to prosecutorial discretion. And an Ivy League school settles with students over COVID tuition. Should schools really have charged less during the

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