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The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.

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31:03

The Endless Fact Check

The Gist ·

2019/03/08

On The Gist, Stormy is in the news (but not that Stormy). In the interview, Donald Trump speaks many untruths every day, and someone has to track them all. Somehow that task has fallen to a Canadian. The Toronto Star’s Daniel Dale is here to tell us what counts as a lie, why details matter, and how neither the left nor the right seem satisfied with his work. In the Spiel, theology isn’t all that interesting… unless there’s drama involved, of course. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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36:59

The Unbelievably Bad Michael Jackson Defense

The Gist ·

2019/03/07

On The Gist, distracting Congress from H.R. 1. In the interview, sexual promiscuity is judged differently among men compared to women, and that goes double for sex addiction. Franco-Moroccan novelist Leïla Slimani’s latest protagonist, Adèle, knows that firsthand. Slimani joins us to talk about her relationship with her translator—and her own characters—and the French sex scandal that inspired her initial research. In the Spiel, bad arguments are hard to believe, like those used to defend

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37:23

Top Chef, the Anti-Reality TV?

The Gist ·

2019/03/06

On The Gist, Fox News isn’t distributing Trump’s talking points. Worse, it’s defining them. In the interview, reality TV typically thrives on drama and negativity. Top Chef isn’t necessarily an exception, but season 16 competitor David Viana says morale was high on set—and that that’s a good sign for the culinary world overall. “Better, healthier kitchens are popping up,” Viana says. “It isn’t the Gordon Ramsay style.” David Viana is the executive chef of New Jersey’s Heirloom Kitchen. The finale

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32:52

The Incoherent Right

The Gist ·

2019/03/05

On The Gist, the White House PR machine. In the interview, John Carlin is a former Asst. Attorney General for the Dept. of Justice and former Chief of Staff to Robert Mueller, and his new book Dawn of the Code War tracks the rise of global cyber threats from Russia and China, and how our country is working to respond. In the Spiel, the CPAC lets Trump get away with anything he wants. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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30:34

Believing Jackson’s Accusers

The Gist ·

2019/03/02

On The Gist, John Hickenlooper might be running for president. In the interview, Dan Reed reached out to Wade Robson and James Safechuck before #MeToo exploded, but its influence is clear. In the director’s documentary for HBO, Leaving Neverland, we hear again how the effects of sexual abuse—in this case, at the hands of Michael Jackson—can manifest in counterintuitive ways; Robson and Safechuck once shielded Jackson. Now they’re coming forward with their truth. In the Spiel, the House Oversight

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25:09

Is AOC Post-Truth Too?

The Gist ·

2019/02/28

On The Gist, the empty political rhetoric that is “everyday people.” In the interview, fact-checking is big business in the age of Trump. But one politician diametrically opposed to the president—Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—is playing fast and loose with statistics too, and journalists have noticed. Should she be called out? NY Magazine’s Eric Levitz says it’s complicated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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22:13

Michael Cohen Isn’t Smart

The Gist ·

2019/02/27

On the Gist, Michael Cohen is not a smart guy, and that makes his testimony all the more trustworthy. In the interview, Casey Burgat of R Street is here to talk about Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s staff turnover data. Does she seem to churn through staff more than most, or are a few big exits skewing the numbers? And is it so bad to have high turnover anyway? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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29:28

The Spring Breaker Vote

The Gist ·

2019/02/26

On The Gist, corn syrup and beer. In the interview, what’s the difference between a 16-year-old and an 18-year-old? In terms of maturity, not so much. But only one of them has the right to vote. In Oregon, state Sen. Shemia Fagan is hoping to change that, and she’s letting young activists take the lead. In the Spiel, who wants to talk about reparations? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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33:47

Mayor for America

The Gist ·

2019/02/26

On The Gist, asymmetric warfare means America’s got some pretty lame enemies. In the interview, women aren’t the only demographic group making the 2020 race especially diverse. Pete Buttigieg, the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is considering a run for office; he’s a millennial, a veteran, and openly gay. We get his thoughts on the size of the Supreme Court and Congress, and his feelings about the humble penny. Buttigieg’s new book is Shortest Way Home: One Mayor’s Challenge and a Model

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36:09

Billionaire Bashing Is Just for Sport

The Gist ·

2019/02/23

On The Gist, even with a genuinely good story, president Trump just can’t get his facts right. In the interview, his name is Mo Rocca, and he’s out with a new podcast of obituaries. So it’s only natural, of course, that it be called Mobituaries. His audio tributes can be for both people and things, including JFK impersonator Vaughn Meader and the humble station wagon. In the Spiel, America’s billionaires do some good, and they don’t make the rest of us any poorer. Learn more about your ad choices

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37:38

A Show, But a Riddle Too

The Gist ·

2019/02/22

On The Gist, the deep state or a shallow president? In the interview, director Leslye Headland has been on The Gist before, and is back for more. But unlike the protagonist of Russian Doll, her new Netflix show, he isn’t likely to find herself stuck in a time loop, reliving the same moments over and over again. Headland joins alongside Rebecca Henderson, who stars in the show. And, fun fact: the two are married! In the Spiel, Disney World’s Hall of Presidents. Learn more about your ad choices

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35:41

The Viability of Bernie Sanders

The Gist ·

2019/02/21

On The Gist, news should be new. In the interview, our resident vexillologist Ted Kaye is back to talk about San Francisco’s flag. Where does its design come from, and is it really the best modern representation of the city? Kaye’s book is Good Flag, Bad Flag. In the Spiel, Bernie Sanders and the viability of policy ideas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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32:27

The Chinese Threat is Overblown

The Gist ·

2019/02/20

On The Gist, Bernie is in. Are billionaires out? In the interview, president Trump may be the chief saber-rattler when it comes to China, but acting tough against the world’s second biggest economy is a bipartisan pastime. With challenges like global warming and nuclear armament on the line, Kaiser Kuo says, the U.S. might do better with cooperation instead of rivalry. Kuo is a co-founder of the Sinica podcast and the editor-at-large of SupChina. In the Spiel, algorithms aren’t just for

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38:36

New York’s Bad Math

The Gist ·

2019/02/15

On The Gist, racy names for missiles. In the interview, Chris Molanphy is here to talk about the Billboard hits of 1979, disco’s last hurrah, and how the year prepares for the coming wave of pop. Molanphy is the host of Hit Parade and writes the column Why Is This Song No. 1? In the Spiel, Amazon leaving New York City is a big loss but people don’t seem to realize it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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32:48

Matt Braunger, Funny Dummy

The Gist ·

2019/02/14

On The Gist, sometimes Howard Stern can be helpful. In the interview, stand-up comedian and podcaster Matt Braunger is here to discuss his new special Finally Live in Portland, his podcast Advice From a Dipshit, and whether or not he would eat racist fudge. In the Spiel, the human tragedy of losing animals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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34:28

How to Lose a Guy in 10 Seconds

The Gist ·

2019/02/13

On The Gist, Democratic leaders should slow down the next time a Virginia-sized fiasco comes along. In the interview, podcasters can storm off a set too—even if it’s their own. Words Matter host Adam Levine pressed his colleague Steve Schmidt on details about his advising gig for 2020 hopeful Howard Schultz. And it wasn’t just because that posed a possible conflict of interest for the political podcast; Levine says his regular listeners wanted answers on the guy who, in their eyes, could get enough

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35:19

Open Season For America’s Wars

The Gist ·

2019/02/12

On The Gist, if president Trump wanted to denounce bullying, he could have done better than inviting a boy named Trump (no relation) to the State of the Union address. In 2001, Congress gave president Bush a nearly blank check for command of an American military bent on punishing the terrorist groups directly (and not so directly) responsible for 9/11. The Authorization for Use of Military Force still benefits U.S. presidents, and few in Congress today seek to curb it. Our guest, Democratic Sen

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27:16

Quoth the Maven

The Gist ·

2019/02/09

On The Gist, wise words from the mouth of Jeff Bezos… by way of Amazon’s Alexa. In the interview, green energy may be clean, but that doesn’t mean its infrastructure is any less garish. Energy reporter Amy Harder reminds us that one of the lesser-discussed obstacles to a Green New Deal is good old-fashioned nimbyism: “A lot of people don’t like power lines being constructed right in their backyards.” Harder covers energy for Axios, and writes its Harder Line column. In the Spiel, it may feel right

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35:33

The Green New Deal Is a Dream

The Gist ·

2019/02/08

On The Gist, don’t lick people you work with. In the interview, reading a whole book is great, but sometimes all you need is the introduction. Author Elisa Gabbert thinks so, and joins us to talk about intros and other “front matter”; a novel that unfolds over the course of an escalator ride; and how sitcoms have thrown our beauty barometers out of whack. Gabbert is the author of The Word Pretty. In the Spiel, the Green New Deal needs more scrutiny before it moves forward. Learn more about your ad

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30:16

The State of the Union is… Overrated

The Gist ·

2019/02/07

On The Gist, who oh who will govern the state of Virginia? In the interview, when Roger McNamee jumped in as an early investor in Facebook, he might not have figured he’d end up testifying about the company in front of Congress. McNamee charts Facebook’s worrying evolution in his new book: Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe. In the Spiel, the State of the Union address is like baseball’s All-Star Game. Flashy, but without consequence. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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