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The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.

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37:00

American Tribes

The Gist ·

2018/11/01

On The Gist, Pew’s analysis of European opinion surveys is out. Let’s look at Greece! In the interview, the American electorate has come to sort itself not just on political issues, but by worldview. Life is either a gauntlet of hazards (say Republicans) or an array of sights to see (as the Dems think). In their latest book, Prius or Pickup?, political scientists Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Weiler warn that these philosophical differences are sharper than what separated the voting blocs of

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32:50

Hate Counts

The Gist ·

2018/10/31

On The Gist, Trump’s xenophobic campaign, with a Spooktacular twist! In the interview, hate is hard to measure, but the Southern Poverty Law Center paints a picture of growing prejudice in America. Heidi Beirich and the organization’s Intelligence Project go beyond FBI and Department of Justice statistics to include press reports and even tips from the public. In the Spiel, swing, baby, swing (we’re talking about congressional districts). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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34:22

Signed, Sealed, Forgotten

The Gist ·

2018/10/31

On The Gist, Mike’s bottom five causes. In the interview, we rewind to the story of the mail bomber, which was quickly eclipsed by a massacre in Pittsburgh and one loud president. Steve Johnson, who directs Cranfield University’s Forensic Explosive and Explosion Investigation program in the U.K., provides details about Cesar Sayoc’s homemade devices. In the Spiel, Trump’s desire to end birthright citizenship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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33:31

For Every Brand, a Backstory

The Gist ·

2018/10/30

On The Gist, surprise surprise, right-wing commentators aren’t apologizing for getting the mail bomber story totally wrong. In the interview, brands don’t make it big by mistake. Behind the success of Starbucks’ pumpkin spice latte and Jell-O are stories worth hearing. Dan Bobkoff’s podcast for Business Insider, Household Name, explores the odd origins of TGI Fridays, the reason there’s a Mattress Firm on every corner, and how a Donald Trump ad may have saved Pizza Hut (it’s all about the stuffed

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34:22

The Blue Blizzard

The Gist ·

2018/10/26

On The Gist, the man in the van is a sad man indeed. Harry Enten is a senior writer and analyst for CNN Politics and steeped in the polling data for the election. Will Beto O’Rourke beat Ted Cruz? Is the blue wave cresting early? And why do Democrats care about Hamilton? Enten joins us to discuss, and his more detailed forecast can be found online here. In the Spiel, time for another antentwig. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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31:10

Et Tu, NBC?

The Gist ·

2018/10/25

On The Gist, Georgia’s exact match law is an extra hurdle for those with hyphenated last names, which, let us speculate, may be more common among black Americans. In the interview, CNBC contributor Ron Insana on Dow drops, market swings, and the uncertain rise of the job-stealing robots. In the Spiel, Megyn Kelly’s reportedly been fired for her latest faux pas. What did NBC expect when they hired her? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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30:54

Blame It on the Mailer

The Gist ·

2018/10/24

On The Gist, Megyn Kelly’s take on blackface was obviously wrong … and wrong for NBC’s messaging. Sleep isn’t for the weak; it’s for those who want their brains flushed of misfolded proteins and fatigue-inducing adenosine. If that sounds like mumbo-jumbo, Maria Konnikova is here to explain it all and answer one question: Is the prescription for precisely eight hours of sleep bullshit? In the Spiel, President Trump riles up his base in all kinds of ways, but we can’t honestly blame the recent spate

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32:58

Something in the Water

The Gist ·

2018/10/24

On The Gist, first we’ve got misleading statistics. In 2016, Art Cullen wrote a series of editorials for the Storm Lake Times, a small newspaper in Iowa, uncovering the murky depths of a fight between local and state governments about water pollution. They followed the money, and discovered a fight funded by agricultural corporations, and ended up winning the Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing. Cullen’s new book is Storm Lake: A Chronicle of Change, Resilience, and Hope From a Heartland

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34:23

The NFL Mafia

The Gist ·

2018/10/23

On The Gist, ’tis the season (elections!) for baseless political analysis, courtesy of big network news. Americans spend countless hours watching football, but what do they know about the owners of their favorite teams? In Big Game: The NFL in Dangerous Times, Mark Leibovich covers the exclusive billionaire boys’ club and the “very unimpressive group of inherited misfits” that fills its ranks. In the Spiel, CNN’s Van Jones was way too chummy with interview guest Jared Kushner on Monday

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34:27

Prison Guard Confidential

The Gist ·

2018/10/20

On The Gist, Europeans are fighting over daylight saving time, which is way better than having a World War. Mother Jones reporter Shane Bauer has been on both sides of a prison’s bars. After spending two years as a political prisoner in Iran, he returned to the U.S. and got a job as a private prison guard. His real aim, of course, was to report on why the American prison system—private and public—is broken. Bauer’s new book is American Prison: A Reporter’s Undercover Journey Into the Business of

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35:54

Land of (Only Some) Opportunity

The Gist ·

2018/10/18

On The Gist, Democrats might actually be winning. Supporters of open immigration policy—and immigrants themselves—often have a rosy view of what awaits them in the United States. National Review executive editor (and Slate alumnus) Reihan Salam says high costs of living can put immigrants in debt rather than on a path to the middle class. “When we’re totally sentimental about this, we miss some of those struggles, and those struggles are inconvenient. People don’t want to hear about them.” Salam’s

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32:26

Myth Management

The Gist ·

2018/10/18

On The Gist, bone saws and Jamal Khashoggi. When Joe Hagan began working on the story of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone, Wenner was on board. But as Wenner slowly realized Hagan was writing the true story rather than Wenner’s story, things got a bit rough. Hagan joins us to discuss Wenner, reactions since publication, and the tricks of writing about a narcissist. Hagan’s book is Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine. In the Spiel, the civility of

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31:02

Between a Rock and a Funny Place

The Gist ·

2018/10/17

On The Gist, Saudi Arabia, Trump, and Jamal Khashoggi. Comedy Cellar owner Noam Dworman has had a post-scandal Louis C.K. take to his stage six times now. Why does he welcome him, and if he doesn’t draw the line at Louis, is it somewhere else? In the Spiel, the death of Nevada Republican candidate Dennis Hof. This episode is brought to you by Merrill Lynch. Get started today at ML.com/you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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30:55

Bare Necessities? Not in Alaska.

The Gist ·

2018/10/16

On The Gist, unpacking CNN’s list of top Democratic challengers ahead of 2020. Katmai National Park and Preserve’s publicity stunt worked: For one week (that’s Fat Bear Week), the internet delighted in the tournament bracket that would crown the plumpest predator of them all. Carnivore ecologist Rae Wynn-Grant tells us about the brown bear’s diet, the unknown mechanics of hibernation, and why fattest really means fittest for the competition’s chunky winner (Beadnose!). In the Spiel, what to make of

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31:48

Olive Branch, Turkey Leg

The Gist ·

2018/10/13

On The Gist, how coverage of bisexuality has changed (for the better). Thanksgiving approaches, and with it all the tension that comes with mixing family and politics in the age of Trump. In that setting, Ike Barinholtz saw grist for a political comedy. He directs and stars in The Oath, in which a family reunion is cleaved by the federal government’s push for Americans to sign a “loyalty waiver to the president.” In the Spiel, what Arizona Senate candidate Kyrsten Sinema did as congresswoman is much

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32:38

Going to The Good Place

The Gist ·

2018/10/12

On The Gist, Beto O’Rourke and Ted Cruz. At first The Good Place on NBC appears to be a light and easy sitcom about a bad apple accidentally dropped into heaven, but look at little deeper and you’ll find a smart and dense comedy about moral philosophy. Creator Mike Schur joins us to discuss this show’s moral compass, baseball, and the Kant of it all. The Good Place airs on Thursdays on NBC. In the Spiel, Trump’s rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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37:03

And What About Yemen?

The Gist ·

2018/10/11

On The Gist, should we continue to trust Facebook with our data? Saudi Arabia’s disastrous war with rebel tribes in Yemen is 3½ years deep, as is America’s support for it. Michael Knights, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, details the kingdom’s goals: stopping the missile attacks sailing in from Yemen, restoring the country’s ousted leaders, and countering the rebels’ biggest ally, Iran. In the Spiel, the disappearance of abortion providers, the rise of crisis

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29:44

Guarding the Court

The Gist ·

2018/10/10

On The Gist, it would be cynical to view the Supreme Court as illegitimate. Brett Kavanaugh has done it. But how will the other members of the Supreme Court treat him? And does his promotion affect the American people’s faith in the nation’s highest court? Slate’s courts correspondent Dahlia Lithwick joins us to discuss. In the Spiel, back in the private sector, Nikki Haley can look forward to making Hope Hicks–level money (which, incredibly, is a lot of money). Learn more about your ad choices

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29:12

Take Down the Poll

The Gist ·

2018/10/06

On The Gist, after all of that, not a single senator changed his or her vote to back (or stop) Kavanaugh. In the interview, Jill Lepore’s new book focuses in part on the marginalized groups forgotten by other American histories. It also denounces the polling industry born in the ’30s, which turned politics into business even as it ignored black Americans, slowing their march for civil rights. Lepore’s book is These Truths: A History of the United States. In the Spiel, don’t forget that the political

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28:50

Sitting President, Standing Anger

The Gist ·

2018/10/05

On The Gist, the hippocampus has its moment. Tom Arnold believes incriminating tapes of Donald Trump are out there, and he wants to find them. In his new series for Viceland, The Hunt for the Trump Tapes, he’s looking for anything from more Access Hollywood obscenities to the infamous pee tape. But would publishing any of these actually change anything about politics today? In the Spiel, the rhetoric of “sitting Trump” versus “standing Trump.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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