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8th Layer Insights

Perry Carpenter | N2K Networks

Get ready for a deep dive into what cybersecurity professionals often refer to as the "8th Layer" of security: HUMANS. Welcome to 8th Layer Insights (8Li). This podcast is a multidisciplinary exploration into how the complexities of human nature affect security and risk. Author, security researcher, and behavior science enthusiast Perry Carpenter taps experts for their insights and illumination. Topics include cybersecurity, psychology, behavior science, communication, leadership, and more.

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53:36

The FAIK Files | A Hunch about Hutch

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/12/06

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files— the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense! In this week’s episode: Mason has an update on last week's shocking story of Google Gemini’s alleged threats against a user. Is this a glitch, a hack, or something more

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52:24

The FAIK Files | Ep 1: Consciousness, Scams, & Death...

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/11/29

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Happy FAIKs-giving everyone! Welcome to the newly renovated and relaunched FAIK Files podcast. On this week's episode, Perry & Mason cover Anthropic's recent hiring of an employee focused on AI well-being, an AI grandmother from hell (for scammers), and Google's Gemini

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30:41

THE FAIK FILES | Chapter 3: The Mindset and Tools of...

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/10/07

This is Part Three of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A

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28:41

THE FAIK FILES | Chapter 2: New Frontiers of...

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/09/30

This is Part Two of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A

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31:07

THE FAIK FILES | Chapter 1: The Eternal Battle for...

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/09/30

This is Part One of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A

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59:19

Digital Mindhunters

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2024/09/17

In this conversation, Perry sits down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly to discuss her new book Digital Mindhunters (Coming Oct 30) and the intersection of cybersecurity, disinformation, and AI. She describes the narrative structure of her book, navigating a world of cyber threats and influence operations, and the evolving landscape of disinformation with AI amplifying threats. Dr. Lilly emphasizes the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation and highlights the global threats posed by

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57:43

Let's talk Social Engineering

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/09/03

In this episode, Perry catches-up with Stephanie (Snow) & JC Carruthers. They talk about social engineering, the DEFCON Social Engineering Community / Village, and share their favorite (and most embarrassing) social engineering stories. Perry also gives a quick update on his recent exploits entering an AI chatbot into the Social Engineering Village CTF, speaking at the DEFCON AI Village, and the release of his new book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and

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55:05

What About Ethics?

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/07/30

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Ed Skoudis to discuss the simplicity and complexities of cybersecurity ethics. Ed's new book is The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity. Guest: Ed Skoudis (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity, by Paul J. Maurer and Ed Skoudis The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I, by Douglas Brunt The Cybersecurity Code

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49:51

Can You Really Tell if Something is Written by an AI?

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/07/09

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Jon Gillham. Jon is the founder and CEO of Originality.ai -- an AI content detection platform designed to help website owners, content marketers, writers and publishers hit 'publish' with integrity in the world of generative AI.In this interview, we get the lowdown on how AI content detection works, what it is good at, and where some of the current limits are. Guest: Jon Gillham (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: AI Content Detector

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51:37

Money Laundering 101: a chat with Investigative...

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/06/04

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with investigative journalist, author, and podcaster, Geoff White. They discuss Geoff's new book, "Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks", the state of global cybercrime, and (everybody's favorite topic) artificial intelligence. Guest: Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books and References: Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks, by

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56:41

Communicating Complex Topics with Creativity and Passion

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2024/05/07

In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more. Guest: George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and References: Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business, by George Finney Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity

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33:43

How Rachel Tobac Hacked Me

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2024/04/09

In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits. Guest: Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and

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54:37

How AI Can Deceive and be Deceived

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2024/03/19

On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models.Guest: Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel Cognitive Security Institute website YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of

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39:47

Frame the Future: The Art of Becoming a Futurist

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/02/27

On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world.Guest: Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy

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55:51

How to Scam a Romance Scammer

8th Layer Insights ·

2024/02/13

Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights! To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer. Guest: Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube) Books and References: YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams National

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65:42

Artificial Intelligence: Insights & Oddities

8th Layer Insights ·

2023/11/30

On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief. Guests: Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website) Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at

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51:43

Technology and the Law of Unintended Consequences...

8th Layer Insights ·

2023/10/24

Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade. In this episode, we

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40:42

Cybersecurity First Principles w/Rick Howard

8th Layer Insights ·

2023/10/10

On today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity. Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army,

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33:50

OSINT, Curiosity, Creativity, & Career Pivots: A...

8th Layer Insights ·

2023/09/26

If you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can

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56:49

Conversational Security Awareness: Putting Humanity...

8th Layer Insights ·

2023/09/12

Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event. Guests: Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Additional Resources: Jessica Barker's great blog post

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