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Toot or Boot

WRKdefined Podcast Network

Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work. To find out more, check out tootorboot.com

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72:01

What is burnout? And why is it so prevalent in HR?

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2025/02/18

Join host Stacey Nordwall and special guests Julie Turney and Stephanie Lemek for a deep dive into HR burnout - an issue that has become critical for the field. Drawing insights from Emily and Amelia Nagoski's book "Burnout," the conversation goes beyond the oversimplified notion that burnout is just feeling tired or can be fixed with a long weekend. Instead, they explore how burnout represents a biological stress cycle that needs proper completion, discussing concepts like "Human Giver Synd...

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34:21

What 2025 holds for RTOs and why Americans may be...

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2025/02/11

Coming up on today's episode: We're diving into the latest RTO trends for 2025! We'll explore how major companies are taking wildly different approaches - from WPP's new four-day office mandate to firms like Spotify doubling down on flexibility. Plus, we'll discuss some fascinating findings about workers choosing flexibility over higher salaries, and tackle the tricky question of whether remote work might be holding back career progression. Stick around for a candid conversation about what al...

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34:02

Anticipated employment law changes, soft quitting,...

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2025/02/04

This week we kick it off with some anticipated employment law changes that could impact your workplaces. We'll unpack 5 laws expected to impact businesses in 2025, from pay transparency mandates to revamped contractor rules. We'll also analyze key leadership changes in Washington, as we discuss Keith Sonderling's appointment as deputy labor secretary. Plus, we'll explore the latest of buzzphrases, "soft quitting." Whether you're a business owner, HR professional, or employee, this episode e...

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22:48

HR preps for new administration, Apple pushes back on...

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2025/01/28

Get ready for your HR news fix! This week we're diving into three timely stories: guidance on how to approach the administration change, Apple's response defending their DEI initiatives against shareholder pushback, and a potential emerging trend of "reverse discrimination" lawsuits. Join us as we unpack what these developments mean for workplaces and HR professionals, share our takes on the latest industry moves, and break down why these stories matter. Whether you're in HR or just intereste...

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48:25

2025 HR Predictions: Toot-worthy or Boot-worthy?

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2025/01/21

In this week's special episode, your host Stacey Nordwall joins the Toot or Boot hot seat with Erica Spitale and Rebecca Taylor, and producer Lexi comes out from behind the scenes for a rapid-fire edition of Toot or Boot, all about 2025 HR predictions. Lexi reviewed 15 different predictions sources (that’s over 75 predictions) which were organized into five different themes: AI, Remote/Hybrid Work, Leadership and Organizational Change, Employee Experience and Well-being, and Diversity, E...

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52:11

All things DEI with Vijay and Tara

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2025/01/14

What do we mean when we say DEI? Are the companies rolling back their DEI programs making substantive changes? And what is DEI going to look like under the new administration?In this episode of Toot or Boot, we welcome back guests Vijay Pendakur and Tara Turk-Haynes for an in-depth discussion on DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) in the workplace. We discuss three articles, including Vijay's own HBR piece on reframing diversity's value proposition, as we explore how DEI initiatives ...

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30:09

Candidates love-bombed and ghosted, the return of bro...

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2025/01/07

In this episode, we explore the turbulent landscape of modern workplaces, starting with Greenhouse's survey revealing that over half of job seekers experience ghosting or "love-bombing" during the hiring process—creating frustration and mistrust in organizations. What’s driving these behaviors, and how can HR professionals and hiring managers do better?Next, we delve into the lawsuit against CloudKitchens and its controversial CEO, Travis Kalanick. Allegations of wrongful termination and a re...

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40:09

The Golden Toots and Coal-filled Boots of 2024

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2024/12/17

2024 was a challenging year. We saw the implementation of six-day workweeks, so many layoffs, return-to-office (RTO) mandates, and DEI rollbacks. SHRM removed the E from DEI and Silicon Valley CEOs and VCs seemed to want a return to days of HR past (or no HR at all. We also had some progress with parental leave policies, new prenatal care protections, and much-needed conversations around the realities of HR work sparked by a viral NYT article.Join us as we award the first ever Golden Toots an...

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28:50

Elon to X remote work, RTOs as retaliation, and what...

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2024/12/09

In this episode, we dive into Elon Musk's and Vivek Ramaswamy's controversial task force, cheekily named the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Their mission? To slash federal workforce numbers by targeting remote and hybrid work—impacting up to a million federal employees. We unpack the implications, including potential productivity myths and disproportionate impacts on marginalized groups.Then, we pivot to Grindr's clash with the NLRB. Accused of retaliating against unionizing empl...

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30:25

Managers' toxic positivity, the legacy of Steve Jobs'...

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2024/12/03

This week I'm joined by Vijay Pendakur, an author and HR advisor and consultant, to dive into toxic positivity, toxic leadership and more. First, we chat about managers glossing over bad news, creating an atmosphere of toxic positivity, and losing employee trust. Next, we talk about the leadership style of Steve Jobs, and how many too often misattribute his bullying behaviors for good leadership. And we wrap up by chatting about the potential for a 2025 quitting spree due to declining employe...

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25:50

Employee wellbeing and trust in leadership declines,...

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2024/11/25

Lindsey Caplan joins us again to discuss the stats showing that fewer than one in three employees trust their senior leaders. Next we talk about the employees fired by Meta for misusing their meal credits and what it means about org culture, trust, and how we write and implement our policies. Then, we dig into the stats that a record-low percentage of employees feel genuinely cared for by their employers, and talk about why wellness programs without real action backfire. Connect with Lindsey ...

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50:48

The Trouble with SHRM

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2024/11/19

On this week's episode, we're doing something a little different. I invited Morgan Williams, Tracie Sponenberg, and Sarika Lamont to go in-depth on one topic - SHRM. SHRM has been the talk of HR news a lot over the past year - they dropped the E from DEI, are facing a lawsuit from a former employee who is alleging discrimination and retaliation, and most recently the CEO was added to a shortlist to serve as Secretary of Labor. So we dive deep on SHRM - who they are, how they've changed, who t...

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23:48

Polyworking, AI surveillance of workers, and why HR...

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2024/11/14

In this episode, we talk about a new HR buzz word “polyworking” – juggling multiple jobs to make ends meet. But is it just hustle and grind culture 2.0? Then, we explore recent moves by the CFPB to extend consumer protection into employment data and cautioning businesses about surveiling employees. Finally, we revisit the debate on whether HR is truly “miserable” and talk more about how HR experiences tensions that aren't felt by other roles and departments. Connect with Lindsey at https://ww...

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33:06

Workday wellness check, supercommutes, and Dell's...

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2024/10/22

Is the supercommute making a comeback? In this week’s episode, Cassidy Edwards joins as we dive into the story of a man who *loves* his 7-hour daily trek. We also unpack the chaos caused by Dell's sudden return-to-office (RTO) mandate, and explore why HR needs to rethink how they roll out major changes, because lives don’t flip with the stroke of an RTO mandate. Last, we chat about how Workday's disastrous decision to send police to a hospitalized Black employee's home for a wellness check ma...

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37:13

Parental leave and the case of stolen valor

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2024/10/16

Show notesFollow Kim Rohrer aticaretoomuch.substack.compatchworkportfolio.compeakhrlearning.comFollow Cassandra Babilya atcassandrababilya.comYou Got This journal https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CPMJ5K5RMake Work Suck Less newsletter https://pages.cassandrababilya.com/posts

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22:19

The HR Leadership exodus, flat hierarchies and the...

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2024/10/08

Are we on the verge of losing key HR leaders due to burnout and lack of strategic support? Tara Turk-Haynes, founder of Equity Activations, joins us to discuss the possible HR leadership exodus along with the EEOC’s 25-year high in disability discrimination charges and how flat hierarchies may be keeping women from applying. Plus, we explore what it all means for DEI programs as middle management roles vanish. Don’t miss it!And -> If you'd like to participate in Tara's survey about the exp...

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30:05

Amazon's RTO, more tech layoffs, and the myth of...

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2024/10/01

This week on Toot or Boot, Tara Turk-Haynes, founder of Equity Activations, joins us to break down Amazon's RTO mandate and the myth of in-office culture-building. Then we dive into the latest tech layoffs—is it the economy, real estate, or the upcoming election driving them? And we ask: Does simply being in the same office foster real collaboration and culture? Get ready for a wild ride!Connect with Tara on LinkedInHere are the articles we discussed:Amazon calls workers back 5 days a week—ot...

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19:41

Gen Z's sick days, the meeting industrial complex,...

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2024/09/24

We dive into the "meeting industrial complex" and whether our work culture has really adapted to remote and hybrid models. Join Noah Warder, VP of People and Culture at Accent Inns, and me as we discuss how to reclaim focus time, explore Gen Z’s impact on sick days and discuss whether HR has swung too far in favor of employees. Connect with Noah on LinkedIn.ArticlesGen Z is redefining sick daysI've worked in HR for 36 years. Here are the 3 biggest changes I've seen in the workplace — and why ...

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23:25

Founder mode, right-to-disconnect, and social...

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2024/09/17

Noah Warder, VP of People and Culture at Accent Inns, joins to talk about founder mode and what it gets wrong. We also dive into the debate around right-to-disconnect laws. Are they necessary protections, or do they create unnecessary urgency? Plus, we explore how organizations can weave social activism into their governance. Don’t miss it!Connect with Noah on LinkedInArticles:Why Silicon Valley Is Abuzz Over ‘Founder Mode’How to build social activism into your governance structure‘Who dreams...

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17:46

Messy in Texas - overtime laws, noncompetes and The...

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2024/09/10

Morgan Williams, CEO and co-founder of PeakHR, joins me to break down messy Texas court rulings on noncompetes and overtime laws, and unpack this new HR trend called "The Great Detachment." Buckle up—this one's a wild ride!Connect with Morgan on LinkedInFollow PeakHR on LinkedInArticles:Federal judge strikes down FTC rule banning noncompete agreementsState employees in Texas not subject to overtime rule, judge holdsWelcome to ‘The Great Detachment’: Workers are checked out—and so are their bo...

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