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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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31:56

Scale Your Suck: Sackett on AI and Talent

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2025/09/09

Tim Sackett is back, and he’s not here to sugarcoat your broken recruiting process. From running a family staffing biz (yes, his mom started it—nepotism FTW) to launching the HR Tech 100 Fund, Sackett’s got opinions, and Chad & Cheese are here to poke the bear.Inside this episode: Why most HR tech still runs on vaporware and broken promises The Sackett philosophy: If you suck at recruiting, AI just helps you suck faster “Scale Your Suck” – his accidental book title that SHRM will

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55:42

Google Wins, Meta Spins, and a Recruitics Fail?

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2025/09/05

From Google’s “flock of dead canaries” warning shot to Meta’s latest identity crisis, this episode is jam-packed with chaos. Recruitix buys a mystery box, Nestlé boots its CEO over an office fling, and Taco Bell AI goes full waterpark mode. Oh, and Chipotle drones are now dropping burritos from the sky. You can’t make this stuff up—so we didn’t. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Overview of the Episode 03:52 Corporate Drama: CEO Dismissals and Scandals 06:10 A Tribute to Greg Louganis: Olympic

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7:29

Shredded: InstaLILY, Welcome Tech, Darwin AI,...

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2025/09/04

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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29:11

AI in Hiring: Trust, Safety, and Why Compliance...

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2025/09/02

What happens when you mix SmartRecruiters, a global AI pivot, and a comms pro who loves to “shake shit up”? You get Allyn Bailey dropping truth bombs on everything from why legacy ATS platforms should be left in a museum next to floppy disks, to how scheduling interviews is apparently the Mount Everest of HR tech problems.Joel and Chad dig into: Why “feature bloat” is killing platforms faster than a buffet kills willpower The rise of AI agents that make every TA leader feel “special”

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51:53

Workday Buys Paradox | HR Tech’s Biggest AI Move Yet?

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2025/08/29

Strap on your helmets and tighten those chinstraps, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are celebrating their 1,500th episode with more swagger than a Cracker Barrel parking lot brawl.Expect: -Trump cosplaying as a mob boss at Intel and Cracker Barrel-Kelce + Swift rumors getting the “wink-wink” treatment-Fantasy football team names that would make your grandma blush-Workday dragging Paradox into the modern era-Employ Inc.’s CEO carousel—because why settle for one clown when you can have the whole

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6:07

Shredded: Dayforce, Pintarnya, Folks, Glow Talents,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/28

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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21:49

How Marriott Tackles AI, Complexity, and Fake Candidates

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2025/08/27

Marriott’s Tyler Weeks joins Chad & Cheese to unpack what it’s like running HR for a million humans (and possibly a few Roombas).Expect: Ritz-Carlton ghosting Joel harder than his prom date. Why Marriott’s HR is basically 9,000 mom-and-pop shops in a trench coat. The shocking discovery that AI doesn’t make great recruiters greater—it just stops the bad ones from lighting themselves on fire. CFO ROI math so sketchy it belongs in a late-night infomercial. And the big AI

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53:08

Upwork’s €20M Bupty Bet, Denmark’s Deepfake...

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2025/08/25

Forget the Eiffel Tower, kids—we’re climbing the recruitment rollercoaster instead. Upwork’s shopping spree in Holland (Bupty? Buptie? Bupkis?), Denmark’s going full Face/Off to keep Nic Cage off Viggo’s jawline, and the UK is suddenly allergic to Fridays. Joel’s out dropping Cole at college, so Chad is joined by Belgium’s royal pain Lieven and Scotland’s deep-fried-pizza poet Stephen McGrath. Loud Americans, entitled tourists, and the four-day work week—this one’s got more punch than a Glasgow

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55:47

Upwork & Indeed Target Randstad

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/22

🎧 This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast:AI hiring lawsuits pile up faster than unread LinkedIn DMs Upwork tries on staffing’s Blockbuster costume Deel debuts creepy digital clones (no, not the cool Star Wars kind) And Joel cries in Bloomington while Chad rants about Tim Apple It’s HR tech, corporate drama, and just enough bad jokes to make you question humanity. Chapters 00:00 - Intro: Chad and Cheese, the HR comedy duo you didn’t know you needed.

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5:57

Shredded: Visage, Rolebot, Workday, Upwork,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/21

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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25:31

Domino’s HR Tech Transformation with Matt King

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2025/08/19

Domino’s isn’t just delivering pizza in 30 minutes or less anymore—they’re trying to deliver candidates, too. In this episode, we sit down with Matt King, Director of HR Tech at Domino’s, to talk AI, ATS drama, and why franchisees always have “better ideas” than corporate.From killing off Kenexa (RIP, nobody misses you) to jumping into bed with SmartRecruiters, Domino’s is betting big on speed, automation, and a sprinkle of chatbot charm. Matt spills on: Why hiring at Domino’s must be as fast

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51:05

It's the End of Entry Level Jobs as We Know It (and I...

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2025/08/15

Hold onto your headphones, folks, because the Chad and Cheese Podcast is serving up a hilarious, hot-mess buffet of insights that’ll leave you laughing and maybe a little worried about your career! This episode, your hosts sling snarky banter like baristas tossing espresso shots, breezing through early chit-chat about travel woes, Coldplay’s drama-fest, LinkedIn’s questionable career tips, sports shout-outs, Walmart’s employee discount PR stunt, free swag, and fantasy football. But the real meat

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5:44

Shredded: ZipRecruiter, DHI Group, AgileATS, Kelly...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/14

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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28:25

Why Working in HR Sucks Right Now with Sarah Needleman

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2025/08/12

In this episode, the boys chat with Sarah Needleman, Business Insider’s Leadership and Workplace Correspondent, formerly of the Wall Street Journal for 23 years. Her article, “If You Think Your Job Is Hard Right Now, Try Working in HR,” dives into HR’s brutal post-2020 landscape: mass layoffs (like Microsoft’s 9,000 cuts) burden HR with soul-crushing terminations, as Evan Loveless shared, facing tears and dashed hopes. AI automation shrinks HR teams, incivility spikes with employee backlash, and

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53:18

SAP says BUY BUY BUY

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/08

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman—HR tech's dynamic duo of snark and smarts—serve up a buffet of industry drama with their trademark banter that'll have you chuckling harder than a recruiter dodging ghosting complaints. They start by painting a gloomy economic picture, complete with workforce imbalances that feel like a bad Tinder match, plus a heartfelt nod to breastfeeding support at work (because who doesn't love a good "pumping up the team"

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6:07

Shredded: Sparrow, Wingspan, Bullhorn, TargetRecruit,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/07

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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Bias: AI vs. Human - Mobley v. Workday is Just the...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/05

In this episode, the boys chat with Jeff Pole, the big brain behind Warden AI, for a no-holds-barred chat about AI bias in talent acquisition. They sliced and diced a juicy report comparing AI’s quirks to good ol’ human prejudice, serving up some spicy legal takes on what happens when robots play HR. The trio threw shade at sloppy AI systems, stressing that vendors and employers better team up like superheroes to keep things fair and square—or risk a legal smackdown. They also peeked into the

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55:01

BOLD Pulls Monster's Plug

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/01

On this week’s show: 🔌 Bold yanks the plug on Monster’s Euro-zone job boards faster than you can say “thoughtful transition.” Spoiler: if you had job credits, they’re as good as Monopoly money now. 🤡 Jamie & Doug send a painfully boring email instead of showing their faces. JT’s advice? Ditch the letter, pick up a camera, and maybe lose the flannel. 🔥 Job.com update – Turns out “we’re a tech company” means screwing over employees. 💰 Anthropic’s valuation hits $170B by

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39:05

Knocking Off Indeed with Meghan Rhatigan

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/30

Live from UNLEASH America 2025, we’re serving up serious talent strategy with Meghan Rhatigan, VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott—and spoiler alert: job boards are dying, chatbots are rising, and recruitment will never be the same.Inside this episode: 🤖 The rise (and limits) of chatbots 🔍 Why some candidates still prefer search over automation 📉 The slow death of job boards—and what comes next 🌎 How politics and immigration are reshaping DEI 🏃‍♀️

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48:08

Europe: Hellowork vs. Indeed

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2025/07/28

In this episode, hosts start off with, what else, soccer snark, discussing Chelsea's Trump drama, then a little Tour de France trash-talk. Chad roasts Monster Europe's collapse, blasting Randstad and Apollo as "corporate cowards" ditching workers like bad dates. They dissect HelloWork's lawsuit against Indeed for yanking ATS feeds—Chad calls it a data domination plot, Joel bets on French PR patriotism trumping legal odds. "Buy or Sell" gets savage: MetaView's €30M note-taker? Chad and Lieven

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