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in the middle

Roy Keiningham & Cedric Spencer

in the middle is the place between Judaism and Christianity.

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22:09

The Law - Ep 1: Sensory Overload

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2025/06/13

In this episode, Roy begins the discussion of the Terumah portion by establishing the necessity of context to read Hebrew. Cedric speaks to the general trouble of translations and interpretations of the Bible. They also talk about the conflicts and ties between the Old and New Testaments, and the importance of both. Roy speaks to his consideration of details in his studies of Torah. Finally, they begin to dig into the construction of the tabernacle.Passages: John 14:2-3, 10:30, and 15:1-8, Luke

26:12

The Plagues - Ep 5: More Gray Areas

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2025/06/06

In this episode, Roy and Cedric close out their discussion of the Parashat Bo Torah portion by discussing the plague of the death of the firstborn. They also touch on the consolidation of people as the Israelites left Egypt. Roy talks about how he came to understand Jesus Christ and the issue with trying to explain who He is. They talk about the actual requirement of being born again. Cedric considers why Jesus did the things He did on this earth.Passages referenced: Exodus 11:2-7,12:35-36

22:05

The Plagues - Ep 4: Not A Transparent Darkness

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2025/05/30

In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy and Cedric discuss the plague of darkness that fell over Egypt and what set it apart from a typical darkness. Cedric ponders the conceptual difference between the identity of “Christian” versus “believer.” Roy revisits what it means to be a lover of the truth.Passages referenced: Exodus 10:21-22, 11:4

22:30

The Plagues - Ep 3: The Atrocities Are Numerous

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2025/05/23

In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy and Cedric talk about how we will be held accountable for our actions and history and establish that repentance is a requirement of having a relationship with God. They further discuss the battle between Pharaoh and God, moving from the locust plague to the plague of darkness.Passages referenced: Exodus 10:5-21, Psalms 33:12 Thomas Jefferson quote

20:42

The Plagues - Ep 2: A Battle Over Nature

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2025/05/16

In this continuation of the Parashat Bo Torah portion, Roy discusses the idea that God's Word does not return to Him void. Cedric speaks to the plagues being representative of the different Egyptian gods. They discuss the difference between being a slave and being enslaved and which the Isrealites in Egypt were. Roy speaks to the importance of that difference in acknowledging poor work treatment and relates the Israelite experience in Egypt to modern times.Passages referenced: Exodus 10:1-2,

19:18

The Plagues - Ep 1: The Pharaoh Command Center

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2025/05/09

Welcome back to In the Middle! Roy and Cedric discuss the relationship between God and Pharaoh in this introduction of the Parashat Bo Torah portion. They also talk about the responsibility of God’s people in finding their redemption in Egypt. Passages referenced: Genesis 12-13, 15, Exodus 12:29, Numbers 3:12-13, Exodus 10:1 Video Links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKJ6Lj-lb04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW2jBsnnDZ0

03:46

In the Middle Returns!

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2025/05/07

In the Middle will be returning for its third season this week, on Friday at 6:30 PM CT! Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode.

21:20

Optional War - Ep 4: How Do We Dispose of the Body?

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2024/12/25

Roy and Cedric discuss the parallels between the instruction the Isrealites received regarding disposal of bodies and the crucifixion of Yeshua. Cedric talks about the biblical instruction on helping others. They reflect on the concept of the crucifix. A continuation of the Ki Teitzei portion.Passages referenced: Malachi 3:13-18, Deuteronomy 21:22-23 & 22:1-4

19:36

Optional War - Ep 3: Who Raised You?

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2024/12/18

Roy and Cedric talk about how societal norms affect a child’s upbringing. Roy touches on the difference between being led by God and being in His will. They come back to addressing the importance of motive. A continuation of the Ki Teitzei portion. Passages referenced: Matthew 5:19-20 & 7:22-23, Genesis 6:5 & 8:21, James 4:1-10, Ephesians 6:10-13

22:16

Optional War - Ep 2: Why Do You Wanna Be In Charge of...

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2024/12/11

Roy talks about the importance of motivation in choices. Cedric goes into the consequences of not being able to imagine the process of getting to where you want to be. They discuss who is responsible for the actions of a child and why. Roy talks about the application of these scriptures in the context of a changing world. A continuation of the Ki Teitzei portion.Passages referenced: Matthew 6:23; Deuteronomy 21:14-19

20:19

Optional War - Ep 1: Live With Your Choice

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2024/12/04

What do you do when you go to war? Roy and Cedric discuss the optional war discussed in the Ki Teitzei portion and what rules were given to the Israelites to hold them to a certain standard. Cedric delves into the instruction the Israelites were given for when they did not follow instruction. Roy talks about the Four Kings in the Midrash and the danger of self-deception in facing one’s own wars. Cedric shares insight on the process of learning to police his own mind.Passage referenced: Deuteronomy

23:05

Vows & Oaths - Ep 4: The Lord Had An Attitude

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2024/11/27

Roy and Cedric continue to speak on the war between the Israelites and Midianites. They talk about how the Israelites brought back the women who originally seduced them and discuss the different interpretations on how they were told to handle them. They close the series with a discussion of what happened with the land taken in the conclusion of the Matot-Masei portion.Passages referenced: Numbers 31 & 32

17:35

Vows & Oaths - Ep 3: Expensive Stereo with Wheels

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2024/11/20

Roy and Cedric discuss the concept of desire and lust, and contextualize the negative connotations of it. Roy speaks to the necessity of looking within oneself to address issues one may take with others. They talk about how God dealt with the Midianites regarding their attack on His relationship with the Israelites and acknowledge the abnormality of this situation. A continuation of the Matot-Masei portion. Passages referenced: James 5:16, Ephesians 4:25, Numbers 31:1-2

22:52

Vows & Oaths - Ep 2: Let Your Yes Be Yes

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2024/11/13

Roy and Cedric begin discussion on the Matot-Masei portion by defining oaths and vows and the differentiations between the two. Roy speaks to the contextual location of the Torah’s specifics on the rules of vows. He also expands on the expectations regarding how vows are made and followed through (within reasonability). Passages referenced: Numbers 30, Matthew 5:37

20:42

Vows & Oaths - Ep 1: Desire On A Gold Platter

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2024/11/06

Roy and Cedric kick off the Vows & Oaths series by discussing the relationship between the Old Testament law and New Testament interpretation. Roy speaks to the rigidity of systems, versus the necessary pliability of individuals. They summarize the Pinchas Torah portion in preparation for discussion of the Matot-Masei portion, with Cedric explaining how the Midianites disrupted the journey of the Israelites in an effort to overcome them, and how God responded to the Israelites’ idolatry.

19:56

The Last Days - Ep 4: Tabernacle Boot Camp

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2024/10/30

Roy and Cedric discuss the true meaning of “the Lord knows my heart.” They also talk about the rules of the tabernacle. Roy connects the dots between the instructions given to Nadab and Abihu and the last days. Cedric talks about how being the light would inherently cause one to stand out. Roy brings it all back to community and how you cannot follow God’s instruction without other people. A continuation of the Acharei Torah portion.Passages referenced: Leviticus 16:1-2, Revelation 19:7-8,

19:52

The Last Days - Ep 3: Thank God for the Women

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2024/10/23

Roy discusses which good works are meant to be seen and which aren’t and the importance of working on your heart when working on good works. Roy and Cedric deliberate on the difference between good works and works of righteousness. Roy gets into the accessibility of atonement. A continuation of the Acharei Torah portion. Passages referenced: Matthew 5:13-20, 6:1-16, 1 Timothy 6:17-18

22:09

The Last Days - Ep 2: Law & Grace

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2024/10/16

Roy and Cedric delve deeper into interpretation of scripture. Roy talks about apparent contradictions in scripture and how Jewish law was not done away with. They discuss the importance of conduct and participation in the process. A continuation of the Acharei Torah portion. Passages referenced: 1 Peter 2: 11-12, Ephesians 2:9-10

21:21

The Last Days - Ep 1: You Can't Pay with Corn Chips

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2024/10/09

In this first episode on the Acharei Torah portion, Roy explains the manner of how one is supposed to enter the temple. Cedric speaks to God’s desire for obedience over sacrifice. They discuss the relationship between faith and trust. Roy breaks down some misconceptions of the Jewish faith and the role of the veil in the temple, and Cedric talks about the piecemealing of scripture for personal use. Passages referenced: Leviticus 16:1, Hebrews 10:16-18, 20-22

34:14

The Golden Calf - Ep 4: I Don’t Have to be What I...

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2024/10/02

Roy and Cedric begin the final episode of The Golden Calf series by setting the scene for a conversation between Moshe and the Lord wherein God proclaims His name. They discuss the possibility of choosing your actions outside of your lineage and further discuss the 13 attributes of God. Roy closes with addressing a parallel to the written Commandments being broken due to the sins of the people. Passages Referenced: Exodus 33, Romans 12:2, Exodus 34:5-7

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