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Fat Mascara

Jennifer Sullivan & Jessica Matlin

Beauty journalists Jessica Matlinand Jennifer G. Sullivan have insider access to the industry and they’re not gatekeeping. On Wednesdays, they talk candidly about beauty news, cultural trends, and the latest products and treatments. On Fridays, they get their high-profile guests to open up about their relationship to Beauty Culture and the inner workings of the industry. Join the duo that pioneered the beauty podcast for a smart, funny, totally unfiltered discussion of all things beauty on Apple,

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42:20

Ep. 569: Pat McGrath 2.0, What Greenpoint Smells Like...

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2025/03/12

What would a fragrance inspired by your town or neighborhood smell like? Call and let us know: 646-481-8182. Jess & Jenn got the idea to ask you all after discussing Bond No. 9’s new Gerenpoint perfume. We’re also chatting about Pat McGrath’s appointment to La Beauté Louis Vuitton; the polarizing beauty look at Prada’s runway show; writer OttessaMoshfegh’s high-fashion collaboration; eyebrow issues after Fraxel; Lush’s latest social activism; the best body wash and lotion for sensitive skin; and a

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49:04

How Dianna Cohen Turned A Hair Obsession Into Crown...

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2025/03/07

Crown Affair’s hair products are in the bathrooms (and kits) of so many people who love and work in the beauty industry. How did that happen? Founder Dianna Cohen is here to explain. She shares lessons she learned working on some of the hottest “millennial” brands of the 2010s (Into The Gloss, Away, Outdoor Voices, Harry’s); why marketing isn’t the most important part of building a brand; the difference between hair *care* and hair styling; and why she thinks clips, scrunchies, and combs should be

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56:36

Ep. 568: Makeup-Skincare Hybrids, Aromatherapy At...

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2025/03/05

Lots of new products (Versed, Rhode, Glow Recipe, Naked Sundays, etc.) claim to be your skincare and makeup in one, but do they really live up to the hype? Jenn hashes it out with Julee. Before that, Julee shares the backstory of a recent cover story she wrote and explains how she ended up modeling for InnBeauty Project’s new campaign. Plus, we’re talking about a perfumed computer mouse, essential oils that will make you feel more alert, a drugstore cleanser that feels like a DIY facial, and the

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50:46

The Benefits of Bathing Culture with Robert Hammond

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2025/02/28

From saunas and jimjilbang to hammams and temazcales, bathing rituals exist in almost every culture around the world—but they’re still not a regular part of many people’s lives. Robert Hammond, the co-founder of New York City’s High Line and president of Therme Group US, wants to change that. He discusses the history of bathhouses in the modern United States, and explains their physical, social, and spiritual benefits. Plus, he tells us about his favorite spots to soak, steam, and plunge and shares

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Ep. 567: Listeners on Sephora Tweens, Animal Testing...

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2025/02/26

The Fat Mascara family is part of the show this week! Jess & Jenn share listener voicemails discussing Sephora birthday parties and tweens wearing makeup. We also talk about proposed legislation in California to ban the sale of “anti-aging skincare” to children. Plus, why is the FDA insisting that sunscreens in America should be tested on animals? We’ll discuss that, as well as Jess’s recent adventure with Fraxel, eyeliners for your (dark) chocolate brown years, and two delightful lip treats.Episode

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54:06

Celebrity Facials, Lymphatic Massage & More with...

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2025/02/21

What do Zendaya, Hailee Bieber, Cardi B, and Sara Sampaio have in common? They’ve all put their faces (and bodies!) in the hands of aesthetician Vanessa Marc, the founder of Vanessa Marc Studio in New York City. She joins us to talk about why models and celebrities love her treatments, the special needs of melanin-rich skin, the benefits of lymphatic massage and Colombian wood therapy tools, and her favorite products and techniques. Plus: Why we should all be getting a massage after a long airplane

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58:59

Ep. 566: Lotion P50 Drama, Big Hair, B Corps & The...

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2025/02/19

People are distraught about the discontinuation of Biologique Recherche’s P50 Lotion (1970 version), but Jenn & Garrett have some replacement suggestions. We’re also talking about Jenn’s filler (Garrett approves!); how teens feel about celebrity beauty brands; hair trends at New York Fashion Week; why Dr. Bronner’s is no longer a B Corp (and what B Corp status even means); and doctors taking Ozempic. Plus, Jenn answers a listener question, and we raise wands to a DIY lymph-massage tool and a dupe

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32:39

French Girl Beauty with Violette Serrat

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2025/02/14

Makeup artist Violette Serrat, the founder of Violette_FR, makes the je ne sais quoi of French Girl beauty and style accessible to everybody. She shares her rebellious approach to makeup, the homeopathic skin drops she uses, why skin needs to rest, the key to good “sex hair,” and why eyeshadow looks better when it’s “slowly dying.” This interview originally aired in 2017 and has been re-edited and includes a new introduction.Episode recap (with links to look up your medical providers'

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45:12

Ep. 565: Drugstore Beauty Shopping, Hair Salon...

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2025/02/12

Jess & Jenn ponder the future this week! We talk more about kids having birthday parties at beauty stores, and then: why beauty shopping at drugstores is so unpleasant; advice for switching hair stylists; layoffs at Estée Lauder Companies; Paulina Porizkova returning to Lauder; navigating trade shows; manicures featuring NFC (Near-Field Communication) chips; glycolic acid as deodorant (and a new version of whole body deodorant); and faux flower arrangements that are especially good for cat

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1:03:17

Hidden Dangers of the Med Spa Industry with Dr. Kate Dee

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2025/02/07

Are you risking your health at unregulated med spas? Dr. Kate Dee, author of Med Spa Mayhem and owner of Glow Medispa in Seattle, reveals the shocking truth about America's aesthetic clinics. In this episode, she explains how to identify if a med spa is operating legally; the risks of unregulated treatments; and how lasers, cosmetic filler, microneedling, and IV treatments can go wrong. Plus, she shares her vision for improving industry standards. Tune in to learn how to protect yourself and demand

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1:03:23

Ep. 564: Sephora Birthday Parties, Renuva & The...

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2025/02/05

Garrett joins Jenn to chat about tweens having birthday parties at Sephora and Glossier stores; a Kiehl’s campaign featuring pubic hair (and the history of the merkin!); body scrubs; bathhouses; perfume-longevity hacks; and a deep dive on Renuva, the newish non-surgical volumizing treatment that’s different than cosmetic filler or fat transfers.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-564Products mentioned in this episode: shopmy.us/collections/1244649Sponsor links & discount

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55:20

The Truth About Kibbe Body Types with David Kibbe

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2025/01/31

Image consultant David Kibbe published his cult-classic style guide in the 1980s, and now he’s updated and expanded his philosophy with a new book for a new generation. In this interview, he shares how he became a “style mentor,” how to think about developing your own personal style, the history of seasonal color analysis, why he thinks his image-identity system is so popular on social media—and why most people get it wrong.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/david-kibbeProducts mentioned

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53:00

Ep. 563: Before & After Photos, Mood-Boosting Perfume...

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2025/01/29

Jenn & Jess welcome FM’s intern, Lexi, to the studio to talk about mood-boosting fragrances and whether or not they work. Before that: How do we all feel about the term “dermorexia”? Plus: Jess shares her adventures in a Parisian flea market; we try an AI-powered skin analysis tool; Coors Light enters the beauty game; one of our listeners gives the best trend analysis we’ve heard yet; we learn how painters clean their brushes; and we Raise Wands to a cuticle oil and a $10 shampoo and

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45:28

Best of FM: Makeup Artist Laura Mercier

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2025/01/24

This episode is about so much more than makeup. Celebrity makeup artist and brand founder Laura Mercier shares the story of how she found her purpose and the lessons she learned along the way. We talk about her childhood in France; New York City in the 1990s; her work with Steven Meisel and clients like Madonna and Julia Roberts; the iconic makeup products she’s created; dessert; Buddhism; and so much more. If you’re feeling stuck or stagnant, or have the winter blahs, this inspiring interview is a

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45:35

Ep. 562: Celebrity Encounters, Sephora’s New Store...

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2025/01/22

Jenn & Julee share their latest beauty adventures: A variety show about bathing culture, meeting Ilana Glazer, and dinner with Dr. Augustinus Bader. Plus: Sephora’s store redesign and new Hulu series; research showing how age affects the way we feel about our beauty products; the scientist turning fatbergs into fragrance; the Beauty Together coalition helping those impacted by L.A. wildfires; Josie Maran’s brand update; and throat lozenges for talkative types.Episode recap with

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35:45

Skincare Supplements & How Diet Affects Beauty with...

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2025/01/17

Dermatologist Rajani Katta, MD, explains how vitamins are (and aren’t) regulated, how to judge the safety and efficacy of skincare supplements, and the truth about collagen powders, biotin, vitamin A, and other hair, skin, and nail vitamins. Plus, we learn how your diet affects your skin and hair, which supplements can alter results of medical tests, and how certain foods can help neutralize free radicals and protect against damage. This interview originally aired in 2020 and has been re-edited and

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52:36

Ep. 561: Bad Bridal Behavior, the Astro Facial & The...

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2025/01/15

A bride sparked debate online for washing off her makeup artist’s work, and Jess & Jenn think there’s something bigger going on. Let’s discuss! Plus: Jess’s facial that doubled as an astrology reading; Jenn’s chrome nails; Ariana Grande thanking Botox; Armani Beauty’s new spokesman; a scientist calls in to teach us about botanical oils in hair care; heated socks for people with Raynaud's syndrome; fancy laundry pods; and so much more.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blogep-561Products

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Beauty Trends in South Korea with Jenny Jin

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2025/01/10

Seoul-based beauty journalist Jenny Jin joins us with a full report on 2025 K-beauty trends and the latest in South Korean beauty culture. We’re talking about her favorite products at Olive Young; Ultherapy, Thermage, Rejuran (and the Skin Botox and Winback treatments she tried); Chahong’s hair perfume; 5X5 Nail Studio; and the Miffy nails she got from Unistela. Plus: Torriden masks, Nonfiction perfumes, pudding pots, lip tints, closet sachets, antimicrobial stickers, bag charms, snack tours, Turtle

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Ep. 560: The Pantene Urban Legend, Facelifts & 2025...

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2025/01/08

Jess & Jenn are talking about “one and done” facelifts, makeup with personality (is Messy Girl the new Clean Girl?), skin tightening, the Lyma at-home laser, the next big fragrance trends, new beauty newsletters, the urban legend that Pantene is bad for hair—and how Alix Earle may have finally put it to rest.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blogep-560Products mentioned in this episode: shopmy.us/collections/1159817Sponsor links & discount codes:fatmascara.com/sponsorsPrivate Facebook

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25:35

Best of FM: Anastasia Soare of Anastasia Beverly Hills

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2025/01/03

The founder of the Anastasia Beverly Hills has plucked the eyebrows of Jennifer Lopez, Naomi Campbell, and Michelle Obama, but Anastasia Soare’s biggest success is her brand, which is estimated to be worth $500 million. In this interview (which originally aired in 2020), she tells us why she considers herself an example of the “American Dream” and shares how she built her brand, what she wishes more people knew about brows, and some of her favorite products.Episode recap with

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