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Chaos and Creativity

Musician Kimi Recor and writer/director Lou Lesko bring you conversations with the outliers and outlaws of the creative industries.Twice a month Kimi and Lou discuss the creative industries through the lens of their experiences and interviews with independent musicians, filmmakers, photographers, writers, and artists.Chaos and Creativity is produced by Cheramie Johnson and edited by Alexandra Covey, with music by Kieran Kerwin.

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29:20

Jeff Burkhart: From Twenty Years Behind Bars to Tale...

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/11/13

Join Lou and Jeff Burkhart, award-winning writer, bartender, and columnist for the Marin Independent Journal, as they dive behind the scenes of Tale of a Barfly. Inspired by Jeff’s bestselling book Twenty Years Behind Bars: The Spirited Adventures of a Real Bartender, Tale of a Barfly is a story of life, love, and cocktails. It’s a riches-to-rags journey that reminds us all of life’s greatest truths can be found while watching the world from behind a bar. For over a decade, Jeff and Lou have ...

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18:32

Bitchsode: Remastering Art

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/10/23

Kimi and Lou are back with their well-deserved opinions in this week’s minisode or what we’re now calling bitchsodes. When Amazon quietly erased guns from classic James Bond posters, it sparked a bigger conversation about censorship, revisionism, and the strange urge to “remaster” the past. Why does art keep getting sanitized? Does censoring a movie poster really help anything? Lou and Kimi unpack it all, reminding us that erasing symbols won’t erase reality. Moral of the story: Bring b...

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47:56

Joe Ingham: Behind the Scenes of Development

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2025/10/02

Lou heads to London to chat with Joe Ingham, an award-winning producer and filmmaker who works in development and production across both the UK and US. Joe has helped bring projects to life with Amazon, BBC, Sky, Channel 4, Paramount, and more, and his films Baby Lies Truthfully and The Microcosm. In this episode, Joe breaks down what “development” in TV and film actually means, taking an idea from its earliest spark and shaping it into something ready for the screen. He talks about the creat...

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15:28

Overproduction: AI, YouTube, and Creativity

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2025/09/18

Send us a text In this mini-episode, Lou and Kimi talk about YouTube running AI filters over videos, without creators asking for it. Has AI ever automatically edited your content? What does that mean for creativity? YouTube is one of the biggest living archives we have, but if AI starts changing our work, are we actually moving backward? Things are already at the point of overproduction, and social media feels exhausting. Lou and Kimi ask: should AI be making creative decisions, or do w...

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58:40

Natalie Lennard on Identity and Creation

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/09/04

Send us a text In this episode, Kimi and Lou sit down with award-winning visual artist Natalie Lennard, also known as self-portraitist Miss Aniela, and surreal fashion photographer Natalie Dybisz. Natalie reveals the genesis of her highly imagined photographic art and how she holds on to the joy of creating despite the sometimes difficult challenges of realizing her vision. Lou and Natalie talk about what it takes to follow inspiration with intention, how art evolves over time, and why explo...

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24:08

The Age of AI

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/08/21

Send us a text In this minisode, Kimi and Lou dive into the fascinating and sometimes unsettling world of AI. Sparked by the appearance of an AI model in Vogue, they explore how artificial intelligence is transforming art, fashion, and creativity. Is AI taking jobs from real artists and models? How is it impacting diversity and beauty standards? Could it be limiting the very creativity that inspires us? Kimi and Lou also reflect on the moments of raw, human creativity that AI cannot rep...

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62:24

Ava Roy: 25 Years of Theater Without Walls

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/08/07

Send us a text In this episode, Lou and Kimi sit down with Ava Roy who is celebrating her 25 years at We Players, a theater company that brings productions to life in breathtaking outdoor locations. Ava has been transforming California’s parks, shorelines, and historic sites into epic stages for over two decades. Known for crafting performances that merge place with play, Ava shares how physical space can ignite the imagination and shape the emotional arc of a show. She breaks down the deeply...

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20:48

Is Content the New Spam?

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/07/24

Send us a text Join Lou and Kimi for a conversation that’s been on our minds lately: Is content the new spam? With so much noise on social media, AI-generated posts, recycled trends, and endless “value-packed” videos, we’re starting to wonder... has content lost its meaning? It’s starting to feel like the internet is full of stuff that doesn’t really matter. And in the middle of it, the few pieces of truly good content stands out more than ever. We also talk about how real-world connect...

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42:16

Terri d'Ambrosio: Behind the Scenes with a Music...

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2025/07/03

Send us a text Have you ever watched a movie and thought, “This song is perfect for this scene?” That’s the work of a music supervisor, and in this episode, Kimi and Lou talk to one of the best. Terri d’Ambrosio is an audio post and music supervisor at MarcoCo. Studios, where she oversees projects from script to final mix. With experience in music production, licensing, editing, and sound design, she brings a rare depth of knowledge to every project she touches. Recent projects include W...

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22:24

Finding the Story Within Your Origin Story

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/06/19

Send us a text In this mini episode, Lou and Kimi revisit the story behind Chaos and Creativity and reflect on the power of origin stories. The ones that are messy. The ones that take time. The ones that remind us why we do the work. It started at the bar at The Buckeye Roadhouse. Lou and Kimi, a bottle of red, and a lot of chaos. Now, many years later, we got to thinking… where does a creative journey really begin? Do origin stories give us a sense of hope? Do they help us find happine...

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49:04

Tracy Marcellino Aubert: All In, Always

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2025/05/23

Send us a text This week Lou catches up with Tracy Marcellino-Aubert in LA, chef, artist, and creative force of nature. We first met Tracy at the Creative Supper Club in New York and from the start she’s been one of those people who just gets it. In this episode, Tracy takes us back to her early days in San Francisco, where the creative scene wasn’t about “making it” but just about being in it. At 22 she dove headfirst into "it" and hasn’t stopped. Lou and Tracy talk about food as art tha...

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29:20

9 to 5s & Side Hustles: Redefining Creative Careers

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/05/08

In this episode of Chaos and Creativity, Kim and Lou explore the generational divide in the creative world and how it affects everything from career choices to collaboration. Whether you're a Gen Z content creator or a Gen X designer, you've likely experienced the tension between old-school expectations and today’s creative hustle. The Generational Stigma Around Creative Careers Older generations often value stability, leading to the belief that a 9-to-5 job is the only legitimate...

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64:00

Marco D'Ambrosio: Music That Tells the Story

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/04/10

In this episode, we dive into the creative world of Marco D’Ambrosio, musical composer and owner of MarcoCo Music & Sound Art. Marco has spent his career shaping music and sound to enhance visual storytelling, drawing inspiration from films like Blade Runner, which he credits with changing his life. Marco breaks down his creative process—from the spark of an idea to a full composition—explaining how he builds a palette of sounds to evoke emotional depth. He believes sound has color, and t...

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49:10

Jaron Presant: Commit to Your Artform

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/03/11

Join us in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, for a deep dive into the creative mind of Jaron Presant, veteran DP and one of the cinematographers behind the latest season of Poker Face. Jaron’s visual storytelling pushes boundaries, and in this episode, he unpacks the art of bringing light to story. From collaborating with Natasha Lyonne to crafting scenes that stick with you, Jaron reveals how cinematography is more than just visuals—it’s about setting a tone, influencing perception, and creating meaning. Jaron

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50:08

Louis Posen: The Mainstream is Overrated

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/02/06

Join Lou for an inspiring chat with Louis Posen, record producer and founder of Hopeless Records. Louis exposes his brilliant music brain with a personal dive into his world. Rare stories and perspectives explore the music community below the mainstream. He also talks about the balance between art, commerce, and how independent labels make a huge impact on the cultural zeitgeist. With more than 50% female artists, Hopeless Records diversity is greater than any other label in the alternative s...

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44:48

Living in the Chaos

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/01/27

Lani Tice is a Zen master in one of the most chaotic subgenres of the marketing world. She leads the brand ambassador program at Every Man Jack, serving as the vital bridge between the brand and the extreme sports personalities they work with. As a former competitive skier, Lani brings a unique understanding of both the talent’s perspective and the brand’s goals. Through her patience, insight, and vision, she thrives in the tumultuous space where chaos meets creativity.

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1:20

we Love you LA

Chaos and Creativity ·

2025/01/22

The fires in LA left us shocked and dismayed. We're checking in to let you know we're all good and forging ahead. We love you LA.

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28:48

Everyone Starts at the Bottom

Chaos and Creativity ·

2024/12/12

Coco Wolf quite literally rose from the couch as an uninspired teenager to become an executive producer at Making Pictures, London, in just over a decade. With her creative mind, calm demeanor, and detail-obsessed personality, Coco shares her journey to becoming an EP and offers inspiring insights on what it takes to be a successful producer in a chaotic industry.

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43:17

A Scary Thing Called Art

Chaos and Creativity ·

2024/11/12

Photographer, Director, and Founder Caydie McCumber is here for a candid conversation about how her art is deeply influenced by the things that frighten her. In this episode, Caydie opens up about confronting fear through creativity and how embracing vulnerability shapes her work. She also shares the story behind Creative Supper Club—a unique space where diners can leave their egos at the door and connect over meaningful meals, surrounded by kindred creative spirits. In a world where affectat...

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