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Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table

Captain Berlin Maza & Deputy Fire Chief Bill Mack sit down with leaders in all professions and industries from across the country to have leadership conversations at the firehouse kitchen table!Leaders share their stories, philosophies and perspectives on leadership. They talk about their non-negotiable behaviors, actions and traits, as well as offer action items for newer employees, emerging leaders, and senior members of organizations to grow as leaders!

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72:06

Ep. 66: John Payne, Assistant Chief - Individual...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/03/10

Assistant Chief John Payne of Bremerton Fire Department discusses individual leadership growth and becoming the leader you are supposed to be, not the leader that someone else is. Lead "your way" and understand that there are leadership lessons everywhere around you. Find them, extract them, and use what works for you! Leaders should "Provide Vision and Allow Action!"

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77:47

Ep. 65: Chris Tubbs, Fire Chief - Delivering Public...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/03/04

Fire Chief Chris Tubbs of Southern Marin Fire District in California, dives into Delivering Public Value in a Tribalistic Culture – the Role and Responsibility of Leaders. We talk the intersection of public value and culture, as well as the 4 C's of leadership - Character, Credibility, Curiosity & Courage. “It is not the critic who counts; not the person who points out how one stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the person who is actually in

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64:53

Ep. 64: Jack Rives, Lieutenant General - True...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/02/10

Lieutenant General Jack Rives of the United States Air Force and Executive Director of the American Bar Association dives deep into leadership being much more than just a title. You must always hold people accountable and lead by example. There are no good leaders out there who are not good listeners, emerging leaders learn so much more when you take the time to listen to your people. In the words of General George S. Patton, "You are aways on parade."

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Ep. 63: Stephen Shaw, Deputy Fire Chief - The Weight...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/02/03

Deputy Fire Chief Stephen Shaw of the Town of Jupiter Fire Rescue Department talks about the weight of our words and how what you say is as important as anything. Your actions must match your words, you never know what you'll get unless you ask, and every leader should adopt the plus +1 mentality! Don't do things by yourself. Succession plan and bring others up with you to develop that strong team! Make conversations the norm, not the exception. Default to dialogue and take every opportunity to have

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Ep. 62: Spencer Davis, Captain - Credibility & Team

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/01/27

Captain Spencer Davis of Norfolk Fire & Rescue along with previous Kitchen Table guest Battalion Chief Jarrod Sergi join the show today to talk about forming a team, building and maintaining credibility, getting out of your comfort zone and a whole lot more. Leaders must build relationships, immerse themselves in the culture, and study the craft each and every day. Remember that leadership is just another discipline. You must continuously hone the skill and sharpen it, because just like any

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Ep. 61: Dan Shaw, Assistant Chief (ret.) - Command...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/01/15

FDIC 2022 Keynote Speaker and co-author of 25 to Survive: Reducing Residential Injury and LODD, Assistant Chief of Operations Dan Shaw (ret.) talks the "Command Mindset," and Mission First, People Always! Stuck on what to train on? Train on these 7 categories: 1) Communications, 2) Positioning, NOT parking, 3) Water supplies, 4) Hose lines, 5) Ladders, 6) Search & Rescue and 7) Ventilation. Leaders must put their ego's aside and be able to receive feedback as well as give feedback. Always

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70:23

Ep. 60: Randy Bruegman, Fire Chief (ret.) - Pay it...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2025/01/10

Founder of the Leadership Crucible Foundation, Fire Chief Randy Bruegman emphasizes the need to "Pay it forward, leave it better, and do the right thing even if it's hard." The best leaders are change managers, they learn how to have courageous conversations, understand strategic change and invest in building a positive culture. Chief also talks about diversity, inclusiveness, opportunity and accountability. When you get the badge, you are a success, but it does not mean you are significant. Aspire

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Ep. 59: Dr. Eric Saylors, Fire Chief - Positive...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/12/23

Dr. and Fire Chief Eric Saylors of El Cerrito/Kensington Fire Department talks about the fundamental principle of leadership; a positive succession plan, guiding future leaders to replace the current ones. Chief dives into the "Succession Project," his 3 traits of strong leaders: 1) Empathy, 2) Adaptability and 3) Resilience, and his non-negotiable, "Breaches of discipline." "Early winners don't make good leaders!" The greatest leaders get knocked down over and over again, but get right back up and

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67:16

Ep. 58: Heather Marques, Division Chief - Leading...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/11/26

Division Chief Heather Marques of Alameda County Fire Department encourages leaders to lead with love. Leadership is influence! Try to default to positivity, Understanding Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs will help leaders better understand the needs of the people they lead. From her thesis paper, "Working Fire: Recruitment & Retention of Women Firefighters," Chief Marques discusses the 4 quadrants of concern for retention of women firefighters : 1) Physical challenges 2) Work-home sociocultural

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92:45

Ep. 57: David Stone, Division Chief - Positive...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/11/22

Division Chief David Stone of South Walton Fire District dives deep into what Emotional Intelligence is and what leaders can do to incorporate these importance characteristics into their leadership development! Chief also talks about why negativity and complaining is so easy for leaders and how a positive mindset is a must in a strong leader. Be the leader you've always wanted, and start by being a servant leader!

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Ep. 56: Shannon Stone, Fire Chief - Adversity &...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/10/28

Fire Chief Shannon Stone of Midway Fire District talks company officer leadership, adversity, high performing teams and cultures. Are you a leader who sees problems or sees opportunities? Leaders must be good at teaching and sharing information. They should be an expert at their job and every job below theirs. Always put others before yourself, study servant leadership and study human behavior. Anyone who knows how to effectively communicate will get more out of life.

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Ep. 55: Dave McGylnn, Fire Chief - The Training Officer

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/10/19

Fire Chief Dave McGlynn within Federal Fire and Emergency Services talks all things training. We are talking what makes an effective training officer as well as training division. Are you a teacher and educator or are you just in the position of teaching? You're not a teacher unless they're learning. No different than you aren't leading if they aren't following. The chief talks about the position of influence that you are in. Are you using it in a positive manner or negative? Leave your ego at

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90:05

Ep. 54: Johnny Torgeson, Assistant Chief - Forging...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/10/13

Assistant Chief Johnny Torgeson of MCLB Barstow Fire & Emergency Services talks Forging your Team! He outlines the differences between a group vs crew vs team, as teams are what we should be striving for in the fire service! Chief Torgeson also differentiates between mentoring and coaching as both have its place in development. Additionally, every single person must be intentional in their plans regarding developing yourself, your team and your organization. Pour 80% of your energy into 20% of

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Ep. 53: Scott Booth, Assistant Chief - Vulnerability...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/09/29

Assistant Chief Scott Booth of Gig Harbor Fire & Medic One talks about the the necessity of being vulnerable in effective leadership. In his EFO paper, he unpacks "shared struggle," encouraging leaders to create opportunities for their team or crew to struggle together, instead of relying on chance to offer those situations. He challenges everyone to be just a little more vulnerable, today, with something simple, and see what happens! Scott also talks about how followership can be argued as

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Ep. 52: Dena Ali, Battalion Chief - Mental Wellness &...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/09/05

Battalion Chief Dena Ali of the Raleigh Fire Department in North Carolina talks peer support., destigmatizing mental health and modeling vulnerability. Our guest has conducted extensive research on the mental health challenges faced by first responders, including the impact of trauma and stress, and has also conducted research on firefighter suicide. Chief Ali has also served as a subject matter expert at the National Fire Academy, where she assisted in reviewing the health and wellness

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Ep. 51: Rayne Gray, Assistant Chief - Expanding your...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/08/30

Assistant Chief Rayne Gray of the Buckeye Fire Medical Rescue Dept. talks expanding your empathy by asking real questions, listening with real intent and getting to know your people. He unpacks the importance of getting out of your comfort zone and failing. People who really care about outcomes and their leadership qualities fear they don't measure up to the task, but they are the ones who are paying attention, staying curious, asking questions, learning and trying to better themselves. He suggests

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Ep. 50: The Wolfpack, NFA - Benefits of a Wolfpack

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/08/25

A group of dedicated fire officers who met at the Command & Control class at the National Fire Academy came together to create a "Wolfpack." Committed to continuous mentorship and learning, topics discussed are: Vulnerability, mentorship, diverse thought and perspective, personal & professional growth and a whole lot more. Tune into the 50th episode of the Kitchen Table!

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Ep. 49: Jarrod Sergi, Battalion Chief - No Nonsense...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/08/15

Battalion Chief Jarrod Sergi of Norfolk Fire Rescue (VA) and author of the book "No Nonsense Leadership," A Realistic Approach for the Company Officer talks "There is no greater privilege than the privilege to lead people." Jarrod talks about how being an instructor is one of the most important roles in a company officer. He also talks accountability, time management and the fact that company officers are walking leadership development programs for your fire department.

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Ep. 48: Chris Stewart, Deputy Chief - No "Good Dudes"...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/07/25

Deputy Chief Chris Stewart formally of the City of Phoenix Fire Department talks "No more good dudes" leadership in the fire service. It takes so much more than being just a good dude or good gal to be a strong leader. You must be highly credible and highly competent to be effective. Chris says, "Operational effectiveness and safety must go hand in hand, not either/or." He also talks the 4 components of an accountability model. Be curious, not judgmental. Culture matters!

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Ep. 47: Frank Leeb, Deputy Assistant Chief - The...

Leadership Conversations @ The Kitchen Table ·

2024/07/12

Deputy Assistant Chief Frank Leeb (ret.) of the New York City Fire Department talks the "Winning Mindset." He unpacks his cornerstones of leadership: Training, Teamwork & Mentorship. Mentorship in the FDNY is engrained in their DNA. Departments and its people must make mentorship a part of their everyday culture. Competency is a must, but the strongest leaders know how to match the hard skills of the job with the soft skills.. Make sure you celebrate your wins and celebrate your people!

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