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Speaking of Cults

A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the

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02:05:44

Speaking of Cults...The Secret History of the Mormon...

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2025/08/30

This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenagel and Shannon Grover to discuss events the Mormon Church would rather you don't know about. There's a lot and we only scratch the surface in this episode. Enjoy!Bryce and Shannon's podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com Note: this podcast had an audio issue and had to be re-uploaded. Sorry for any confusion about that.

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Speaking of Cults...The Cult Foundations of the...

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2025/08/23

This week I welcome author Jane Borden, who recently published Cults Like US about the cult roots of American society and how these have perpetuated to this day in many of the moral and social values we take for granted or just don't think about too much. We have a lot of food for thought for you in this one. Enjoy!Jane Borden's website: https://janeborden.com

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Speaking of Cults...Why Smart People do Dumb Things...

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2025/08/16

This week I am revisiting the REM Model (TM) and discussing more real-world examples of how it might be used to help figure out or understand ourselves and other people and why we do some of the crazy stuff we do. Enjoy!

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Speaking of Cults...Why Diddy Got Away With It

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2025/08/09

In this week's shorter-than-usual podcast, I give a full rundown on the indictment and trial of Sean Combs and why it was that he completely got away with years of domestic abuse and coercion. "Diddy" turned his business into a sex-trafficking criminal enterprise (allegedly) and there will be no justice for his victims because of how our laws and justice system operate. You'll understand why after you hear this.

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Speaking of Cults...Your 30-Minute Guide to...

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2025/08/02

Here is your explanation for why people act the way they do, why people join and stay in cults and why people will fight to the death for some of the most irrational and hateful beliefs and ideas. If you've ever run into anyone that you just couldn't understand, this podcast is going to help you finally figure that out. Enjoy!

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Speaking of Cults...Abuse in the Community of Jesus...

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2025/07/26

This week I welcome Ewan Whyte, a man who grew up in an incredibly abusive Christian Nationalist group called the Community of Jesus and who was sent to Grenville College - a boarding school under the ownership of this cult. His story has a happier ending than most and he had difficulty talking about some aspects of his experience but I hope this podcast will still be informative of his experience and a cautionary tale about giving over your life to a belief system that is really nothing more than

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Speaking of Cults...Escaping Fundamentalist Mormonism...

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2025/07/19

Imagine being born into slavery in Mexico as a female in a Mormon polygamist cult that treats all women like chattel, not good for anything but doing what they are told and making babies. That's what my guest, Pamela Jones, escaped from after being raised amongst seriously violent religious extremists (who are still operating their cult in Mexico and are richer than ever). As an adult, she got out with all nine of her children and started a new life in the US. Pamela has an upcoming book about her

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01:32:16

Speaking of Cults...Cult Recovery is a Rocky Road

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2025/07/12

This week I am bringing back Jason Horvatic, a former Scientologist who came out publicly about two years ago and had some contentious views and statements to make about me, Scientology and his own views about his experiences. Well, the road to recovery has many pitfalls and dark alleyways that people can go down, but they can also come right back out again. This podcast is a pretty plain English discussion about all of this and where Jason is at now. I hope this will be of interest and it helps

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01:10:40

Speaking of Cults...Breaking the Spell of Religion...

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2025/07/05

This week I am welcoming back Dr. Maurice Turmel aka "Dr Moe" to discuss religious trauma and his new book on the subject. We go over a number of key principles underlying religious trauma which I think might help anyone who is overcoming an abusive religious background. Hope this one helps!Dr. Turmel's website: https://drmoe2000.bandcamp.com

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01:21:34

Speaking of Cults...Project Esther - The Modern U.S....

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2025/07/03

I'm posting this bonus podcast mid-week since I didn't want to delay getting this information and interview with Dr. Clint Heacock out to you. Project Esther is one part of a series of actions being taken by the White House to repress free speech and demonstrations and curtail our rights. Current events are running at a lightning pace and I want to do my part to help inform you what is actually going on in the US right now.Links discussed: Dismantling Doctrine podcast:

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Speaking of Cults...How to Get Someone Out of a Cult...

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2025/06/28

This week I welcome Patrick Ryan, a cult intervention specialist who has been working in the field for 40 years and definitely knows what he's talking about, having helped thousands of people one-on-one to leave destructive cults and abusive situations. In today's show, we go right to the heart of what it takes to engage with and help cult members and it's not any easy walk in the park, yet it's also so simple that it's kind of hard to believe. Enjoy!Pat's website: https://cultrecovery101.com

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Speaking of Cults...Don't Let the Pseudoscience Bug...

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2025/06/21

This week I welcome back Dr. Jonathan Stea, author of "Mind the Science" and a real pleasure to talk to about the harms and pitfalls of science denialism, health fads and pseudoscience. In this age of post-truth nonsense all over social media and in our government, this is a vital topic for us to do something about. I hope you'll give it a listen. Enjoy!Jonathan's website: https://jonathanstea.com

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Speaking of Cults...Why Cult "Deprogramming" is Bad...

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2025/06/14

This week I welcome back cult intervention specialist Ashlen Hilliard to discuss the perils and vagaries of cult interventions, deprogramming, the background of all this and what we do to help extract people from destructive cults. We go pretty deep into what this is about in just an hour's time. Enjoy!Ashlen's website: https://PeopleLeaveCults.com

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Speaking of Cults...Radical Honesty is a Pack of Lies

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2025/06/07

This week I welcome Jura Glo, a survivor of a group called Radical Honesty, which takes honesty to an extreme level that is more suited to the needs of predatory personalities than personal transformation and growth. We take a hard look at this group and its ideas and the effects of what they can do. Enjoy!Jura Glo on Substack: https://juraglo.substack.com/

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01:47:45

Speaking of Cults...How the Mormon Church Enables...

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2025/05/31

Following on last week's podcast abut the Troubled Teen Industry, this week I am joined again by Bryce Blankenagel and Shannon Grover to go deep on what the Mormon church's position is on the LGBT+ community, why there is so much hate and bigotry for same-sex marriages and how "conversion therapy" is still very much alive and well all over Utah and the US. We cover a lot of territory in this one. Enjoy!Glassbox podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com/

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01:31:31

Speaking of Cults...The Troubled Teen Industry with...

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2025/05/24

This week I welcome Meg Appelgate, founder of Unsilenced.org and a survivor of the "troubled teen industry" - a loose network of abusive labor trafficking and cultic control groups which focus their efforts on abusing children and teens to "manage and control them" so they will somehow stop being so "troublesome." It's truly sick and disgusting work and it's being done to the tune of $23 billion in government and private funding, and no one is doing a thing to stop it. Meg's website:

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Speaking of Cults...Is "America First" a Political Cult?

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2025/05/17

This week I welcome back Dr. Clint Heacock, a former Evangelical minister turned whistleblower and we discuss the current White House administration, the people guiding strategic and policy-making decisions for Trump and the danger they present to America. There are many parallels to cultic activity and techniques in what these folks are doing.Clint's Dismantling Doctrine podcast: https://mindshiftpodcast.podbean.com/

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Speaking of Cults...Dianetics and Cult Control

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2025/05/10

This week I finally welcome back Jon Atack for his first appearance in this version of my podcast. We had a lot to discuss with the May 9th anniversary of the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health by L. Ron Hubbard and the legacy of its pseudoscientific nonsense. We cover a lot of territory including a look at the modern world which may surprise you. Enjoy!

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Speaking of Cults...What is the Deal with Mormon...

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2025/05/03

This week I welcome back Shannon Grover and Bryce Blankenangel to discuss the typical Mormon experience, leading (of course) to us diving right into the mysterious Mormon undergarments and what that's all about - there's a lot to uncover there - as well as some much darker components of the Mormon church's overreach into their member's mental health and personal lives. Enjoy!Glassbox podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com/

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Speaking of Cults...Philosophy in Cult Recovery

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2025/04/26

This week's show is meant for cult survivors and those who care about them. It's a short and hopefully educational discussion of some things I've learned recently about philosophy and how useful it can be to us in recovering from coercive control and trauma. Nothing super flashy or insane this week - just an effort to share some info. Enjoy!

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