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The Art World: What If...?!

Allan Schwartzman and Charlotte Burns

What if we reimagined everything in culture, from painting to patronage? Tune in to The Art World: What If…?! to hear leading thinkers, creators and innovators in art rethink the system, exploring the consequences with wit, wisdom and humor. Join art journalist Charlotte Burns and world-renowned art advisor Allan Schwartzman as they exclusively interview museum leaders, collectors and artists including MoMA director Glenn Lowry, Guggenheim deputy director Naomi Beckwith, non-profit leader Kemi

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37:53

The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/03/16

Time to take stock this episode with hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman. We look back at some of the big ideas that have emerged throughout the series so far. From change and creativity, to finance and futures, we discuss what’s amazed, delighted—and even filled us with hope. "I think a lot more about excess than abundance," says Allan. "There is a generosity with which the word abundance has been used by a number of the people we've interviewed. I think that that sense of generosity and of

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53:09

The Art World: What If...?! LA Special with Cauleen...

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/03/09

We’re still in the city of angels for our second special episode asking ‘What if LA is the future?’ Join host, Charlotte Burns, as she drives from the East Side to Korea Town and out to Santa Monica. We visit the studio of artist and filmmaker, Cauleen Smith, whose life and work centers around building a better world. We also drop in on Kibum Kim, partner and co-founder at Commonwealth and Council - a gallery building a supportive community of artists - who wants to challenge the high-speed

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47:46

The Art World: What If...?! LA Special with Connie...

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/03/02

What if Los Angeles is the future? This episode Charlotte Burns visits the city for the first of two extra special episodes. We’re at the Hammer museum with its Chief curator, Connie Butler, before heading over to meet Sue Bell Yank who’s Executive director at Clockshop. Both are experimenting with how to do things differently and how to make LA a sustainable place to be and to create art. Nowhere encapsulates the need to imagine radical new possibilities more than Los Angeles. “LA is an amazing

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48:29

The Art World: What If...?! with American Artist

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/02/23

What if it were possible to dream up entirely new things? Join host Charlotte Burns as she interviews one of the most interesting artists working today. American Artist — who changed their name in 2013 — produces deeply thoughtful work that is as enmeshed in digitization and technology as it is history and alternate realities. American talks about how their art tackles police violence in the US. They also discuss a newer body of work centering on the life and writings of sci-fi novelist, Octavia E

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51:53

The Art World: What If...?! with Rashida Bumbray

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/02/16

This episode, Charlotte Burns is joined by Rashida Bumbray whose career straddles different realms within culture. A choreographer and curator, Rashida aims to create new spaces of imagination, empowerment, and connection. While the data and the daily realities of the art world can reflect a scarcity, Rashida’s work—notably the recent organization of artist Simone Leigh’s Loophole of Retreat Summit in Venice—reflects an abundance that is intergenerational, interdisciplinary, and inspirational. This

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56:58

The Art World: What If...?! with Paul Chan

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/02/09

In this episode, we get into some of the biggest What Ifs —about virtue and value, about life and loss. Host Charlotte Burns is joined by one of the most thoughtfully provocative (or cunning, as he’d say), artists of our time, Paul Chan. He made his name in the early 2000s with film and media works, and by 2008 had found significant success. Then, he stopped making art. Now he’s back with a show called Paul Chan: Breathers, where, influenced by sky-dancers, he literally shapes air. He says “Maybe

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39:09

The Art World: What If...?! with Joeonna...

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/02/02

What if the art market had more faith in its own future? What if we could improve the health of the swamp? This episode, we consider the state of the market and who better to join Charlotte Burns than co-host, the art advisor Allan Schwartzman, along with Joeonna Bellorado-Samuels, director at Jack Shainman Gallery in New York and founder of We Buy Gold. Together they discuss the boom and bust, aspiration and desperation - and much more besides.

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49:35

The Art World: What If...?! with Sandra Jackson-Dumont

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2023/01/26

What if we reimagine the role of the museum? What if we bring more intention to what culture can be and do—and by whom and for whom? What if we tell ourselves different stories? In this episode, host Charlotte Burns talks to Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the CEO and director of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art—a new museum founded by filmmaker George Lucas and his businesswoman wife, Mellody Hobson. The institution, which is set to open in Los Angeles in 2025 is one of the most potentially exciting

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44:20

The Art World: What If...?! with Cecilia Alemani

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/01/19

What if the world was without ethics? What if financial value was no longer the way we talk about success? Cecilia Alemani, artistic director of the 59th Venice Biennale and director and chief curator of High Line Art in New York City joins host Charlotte Burns to discuss the role of the curator today. Cecilia masterminded the recent Biennale through the pandemic to rave reviews, notably for the cool manner in which she presented a new version of art history, bringing focus without fanfare to

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48:21

The Art World: What If...?! with Kemi Ilesanmi

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/01/12

What if we all name our dreams before following them? This episode we welcome Kemi Ilesanmi, the now-former Executive Director of The Laundromat Project, the non-profit focusing on the art of the everyday, amplifying community and artists as citizens and change agents. This show is all about what ifs, and Kemi operates from that place of abundant possibility. What if businesses invested in their staff, seeding future next generations? What if arts organizations functioned as community assets? Tune

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The Art World: What If...?! with Glenn Lowry

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/01/12

What if we separated who funds the museum from who runs the museum on a board level? This episode, host Charlotte Burns welcomes Glenn Lowry who’s been the director of the Museum of Modern Art in New York since 1995. He's led the institution through two vast expansions, and, of course, periods of profound change. This is a frank and revealing conversation covering a lot of ground. What if competition and collaboration were the same? What if museums refuse to take in so many works of art? Join us for

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51:07

The Art World: What If...?! with Naomi Beckwith

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2023/01/12

“Not just what if—but what are we missing?” In the first episode of this new podcast, host Charlotte Burns is joined by Naomi Beckwith, the Deputy Director and Jennifer and David Stockman Chief Curator of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum. Someone actively working to recalibrate the field in the most exciting and dynamic ways, Naomi starts this episode with science before moving onto museums—and how we can create change. What if our textbooks were Black? What if we decentered the Western world in

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03:30

Introducing The Art World: What If...?!

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/12/21

Welcome to The Art World: What If...?! the latest podcast from the makers of In Other Words and Hope & Dread. The first episode will be available on 12 January 2023 and new shows will come out every Thursday.

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The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Phyllis Mitz

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/07/12

Hope & Dread Extra: Phyllis Mitz brings you a vision for the future in this interview with astrologer Phyllis Mitz. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every

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The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Maya Benton

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/07/12

Hope & Dread Extra: Maya Benton features photography curator Maya Benton, who talks about staring down Neo-Nazi protestors. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra

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The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Sandra Jackson-Dumont

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/07/07

Hope & Dread Extra: Sandra Jackson-Dumont brings you more from the inaugural director and CEO of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, which is scheduled to open in Los Angeles next year. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts

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08:49

The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Issy Wood

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/07/05

Hope & Dread Extra: Issy Wood brings you a conversation with the talented young artist Issy Wood. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and

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15:39

The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Kathy Halbreich

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/06/28

Hope & Dread Extra: Kathy Halbreich features a conversation with Kathy Halbreich, the executive director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, about why she has put artists at the center of her vision of creating change. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on

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13:09

The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Black Trustee...

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/06/28

Hope & Dread Extra: Black Trustee Alliance focuses on a new organization—the Black Trustee Alliance—that hopes to bring change to the museum field. Tune in to hear from the collector and philanthropist Victoria Rogers, who is co-chair of BTA and Brooke Minto, its executive director. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within

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12:32

The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Lulani Arquette

The Art World: What If...?! ·

2022/06/23

Hope & Dread Extra: Lulani Arquette brings you the highlights of our interview with the president and CEO of the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation, which is in the middle of an expansion into a new building in Portland, Oregon. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave

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