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Products That Count

Produced by Products That Count, a 501(c)3 nonprofit that helps everyone build great products, this podcast is an award-winning show by and for product minds, with millions of downloads and a 5-star rating on most major platforms. Each of the 300+ episodes features a product leader interviewing another product leader and exploring what it takes to build great products. Recent ones feature the Chief Product Officers of Brex, Glassdoor, Experian and more. About Us: Products that Count is a 501(c)3

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34:01

CPO Rising Series: BetterHelp CPO on Why CPOs Need to...

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2026/08/05

What does it mean for a CPO to truly own outcomes? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, BetterHelp CPO Terre Layton will be speaking on how product leadership is evolving in the age of AI, drawing on a career that started with AI research long before LLMs existed. Terre shares why CPOs are now business operators with product as their primary lever, how she thinks about building teams for the agentic era, and why time to value and retention

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37:48

CPO Rising Series: ATOSS CPTO on Why Product Managers...

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2026/07/31

What does it mean to run product like a mini company, and how do you say no to a multi-million dollar deal when it conflicts with your strategy? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, ATOSS Software SE CPTO Vikas Seth will be speaking on outcome-driven product management and what the next evolution of the product leadership role looks like. Drawing on seven years growing ID Now from startup to scale-up at 10x revenue, Vikas shares his

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35:17

Koah CPO on Why Ads in AI Don't Have to Be Evil

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2026/07/29

What would it look like if every AI app had a sustainable way to make money without dark patterns or paywalls? In this podcast hosted by iDonate VP of Product and Engineering Nacho Andrade, Koah Co-Founder and CPO Mike Choi will be speaking on how he's building the AdSense for the AI app network. Mike shares what he learned from 18 months of rapid consumer app building, why AI users behave completely differently than search users, and why sponsored experiences in AI might actually be a good thing

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39:17

CPO Rising Series: Optum Fmr CCO on Building Products...

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2026/07/27

What does it take to build products that work for 150 million people in one of the most regulated industries in the world? In this episode of the CPO Rising Series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Jay Patel, Optum Fmr Chief Consumer Officer Rita Khan will be speaking on how product leadership is transforming healthcare at scale. Rita shares why understanding the full stakeholder ecosystem matters more than quick UX wins, how she frames investment portfolios to earn executive trust quarter

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23:58

CPO Rising Series: Perk CPO on Why Now Is Product's...

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2026/07/24

What happens to product leadership when anyone can create a product in minutes? In this episode of the CPO Rising Series hosted by Axiom Law CPO Katrina Benjamin, Perk CPO Nikita Miller will be speaking on why this might be the biggest moment in product leadership history. Nikita shares how roles across product, design, and engineering are converging in exciting ways, why the best AI is invisible to users, and what urgency and conviction really look like in a company that's growing fast.

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34:05

CPO Rising Series: Ingram Micro Fmr CPO on...

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2026/07/20

How do you transform a 45-year-old, $52 billion enterprise into an AI-native platform business and take it public in the process? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, Ingram Micro former CPO Ambrish Verma will be speaking on the frameworks he used to navigate tech debt, allocate innovation capacity, and build the moat that repositioned a legacy distributor as a technology platform company. He also shares what happened when he asked Claude

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30:48

Former eBay CPO on Building Product Teams That Win

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2026/07/17

What does it take to turn a stagnant product org into one that grows a company's stock price by 59% in three years? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, former eBay and Sam's Club CPO Eddie Garcia will be speaking on how great product leadership creates outsized business returns. Eddie shares his 343 portfolio framework, the concept of "positionless product development," and the Scan and Go story that went from three grassroots employees to

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35:49

Spotnana CPO on Building Care as a Product

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2026/07/15

What does it mean to build care as a product? In this episode of the CPO Rising Series hosted by Turo CPO Tom Wang, Spotnana CPO Sarosh Waghmar will be speaking on why trust is the foundational design principle in travel tech, how AI can make a stranded traveler feel like someone said "I got you," and why the modern CPO has to be fluent in three languages simultaneously, customer pain, business model, and technology trajectory. He also shares why cleaning the infrastructure gutters is the

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36:11

CPO Rising Series: SignalWire EVP of Product on Why...

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2026/07/13

What if the PM-to-engineer ratio flipped and there were two product managers for every engineer? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, SignalWire EVP of Product Adam Kalsey will be speaking on why the bottleneck in software has shifted from building to knowing what to build, and why the business model is just as much a part of the product as the technology. He also shares how he built an autonomous product ops intern using Claude and

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42:01

CPO Rising Series: Why Opportunity Cost Is Still the...

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2026/07/10

What does a former touring DJ who accidentally built one of the internet's first MP3 stores have to say about product leadership? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, Intuit SVP of Product Wyatt Jenkins will be speaking on why managing opportunity cost is the heart and soul of product management, why the PM who doesn't make their engineering team twice as good shouldn't be there at all, and why the systems of record layer will survive the

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34:12

CPO Rising Series: Pipedrive CPTO on The End of...

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2026/07/08

What if your SaaS product built itself to fit every user the moment they signed up? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, Pipedrive CPTO Joe Futty will be speaking on why customer expectations are about to shift more dramatically than at any point since mobile went mainstream and what that means for how product teams build, hire, and think about personalization. He also shares his three-bucket framework for navigating any new CPO role, and

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28:31

Brainlabs CPO on the End of the Technical Moat

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2026/07/06

What happens to product leadership when anyone in the company can build? In this episode of Product Talk hosted by Digitalzone CPO Sonjoy Ganguly, Brainlabs CPO Adam Edwards will be speaking on how AI is eroding the technical moat and elevating judgment and scalability as the new competitive advantages for product leaders. He also shares how his team built a triad governance structure to democratize AI-building across a thousand-person ad agency without losing control of quality or client

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27:14

Inside AI's Transformation of the Physical Economy...

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2026/07/03

What does it take to build AI when failure means someone gets hurt? In this episode of the CPO Rising series, hosted by CentralSquare Technologies CPO Denise Hemke, Motive CTO Amish Babu will be speaking on the unique engineering and product challenges of building AI for the physical economy fleets, construction sites, and high-stakes environments where milliseconds matter and hallucinations aren't a product flaw, they're a safety crisis. He also shares how Motive's AI dash cam has helped prevent

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30:52

CPO Rising Series: Rakuten Rewards CPO on Human...

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2026/07/01

What does it mean to govern a decision model instead of a roadmap? In this episode of the CPO Rising Series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Jay Patel, Rakuten Rewards CPO Nilesh Khandelwal will be speaking on how AI is shifting the product leader's job from execution management to decision architecture. He also shares his three-bucket prioritization framework, the concept of "glues" as a retention lever, and why saying no to guaranteed revenue is sometimes the most strategic move a CPO

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30:09

CPO Rising Series: The Product Engineer Is Coming for...

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2026/06/29

What does it actually take to turn a sales-led organization into a product-led one? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Jay Patel, Medbridge CPTO Sarah Singh will be speaking on how AI is reshaping the product engineer role and why the CPO's job is no longer separate from engineering. She also shares how her Big Bet Framework builds organizational trust and how AI tools are compressing the innovation cycle from four bets a year to one every month.

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39:00

CPO Rising Series: Cartwheel CPO on Building AI into...

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2026/06/26

What happens to the entire product development process when creating software becomes as easy as creating a Google Doc? In this episode of the CPO Rising Series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Jay Patel, Cartwheel CPO Sarah Turrin speaks on how the collapse of software costs is reshaping healthcare product leadership, why the era of CPOs as pure strategists is already over, and how she thinks about deploying AI in healthcare environments where a probabilistic model simply cannot be

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35:24

CPO Rising Series: Why Remix AI's Former CPO Pressed...

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2026/06/24

What does it mean when a seasoned CPO with experience at Disney, Apple, Airbnb, and Walmart.com walks away from the C-suite to go build products by himself? In this episode of the CPO Rising series hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, former Remix AI co-founder and CPO Kevin Swint speaks on why this moment in AI demanded that kind of move, what he learned building an agentic application in two weeks that would have taken a year and hundreds of thousands of dollars before, and why

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39:25

CPO Rising Series: Vercel CPO on Why Judgment Is the...

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2026/06/22

What happens when the cost of building software trends toward zero? When anyone can ship anything at any time, code stops being the competitive advantage. In this episode of the CPO Rising series, hosted by CentralSquare Technologies CPO Denise Hemke, Vercel CPO Tom Occhino speaks on what the moat actually looks like in an AI native world, why he shifted from roadmap curator to market interpreter and narrative builder, and what it took to build a culture where reliability and innovation do not fight

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38:44

CPO Rising Series: Salesforce EVP & GM on AI...

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2026/06/19

What happens when the pace of AI makes even the most recent college graduate's knowledge obsolete within six months? In this episode of the CPO Rising series, hosted by Products That Count Resident CPO Renee Niemi, Salesforce EVP and GM of Agentforce Service Kishan Chetan speaks on what it really takes to drive AI adoption at scale, why adoption is fundamentally a social phenomenon, and how he thinks about product success through one simple lens: do customers buy it, use it, and love it? Leading a

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33:27

How Syntheseed CPO Is Rethinking Product Leadership...

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2026/06/17

What if the strategy you just shipped is already obsolete? In this episode of Product Talk hosted by Digitalzone CPO Sonjoy Ganguly, Syntheseed CPO Sam Somashekar speaks on what it means to lead product in an era where the pace of change has outrun the annual planning cycle, AI is generating strategies that all sound the same, and the pressure to experiment is pulling leaders further from the strategic thinking they were hired to do. Sam and Sanjay explore why the human element is more important

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