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Publishing Rodeo: The Good, The Bad, and the Bloody Ugly

In 2022, two authors debuted in the same genre, with the same publisher, in the same year. Yet each of their books, and subsequently each of their careers, went in very different directions. That pattern repeats itself throughout the industry, over and over. Why does this happen, and what does it mean?In this Hugo-nominated podcast, we aim to answer those questions and many more, using collated experiences from ourselves, friends, colleagues, and a slew of industry professionals in an attempt to

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27 - Foreign Rights and the Frankfurt Book

Publishing Rodeo: The Good, The Bad, and the Bloody Ugly ·

2023/09/15

This week, we chat with Anika Scott, an international bestselling author of historical fiction. After years of writing, querying, and revising, Anika's debut novel was snapped up amidst a whirlwind of interest and buzz--only to then launch a week before COVID shut the world down. On one continent, her book flourished, while on another, it tanked. We discuss the European scene, including the Frankfurt Book Fair and what it means to be a Frankfurt book, as well as being editorially orphaned, different

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26 - Why Don't We Just Quit? with Kameron Hurley

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2023/09/07

After years of rejections, Kameron's early book deals ran into problems when her publishers either folded or went bankrupt, Instead of quitting, she kept going. And going. In the decade since, Hurley has signed new deals, built a fanbase, and even won a Hugo.We sit down with her today to ask hard-hitting questions: Why don't we just quit? Why keep doing it? Why not 'just' self publish? And finally, was it all worth it?Nota bene: SPECIAL THANKS to Casmer Maliszewski for helping us clean up the audio

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25 - How to Write For Film, TV, and Tie-Ins (with D....

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2023/08/25

If you've ever been curious about alternate or adjacent writing careers, this episode is for you! David "D.V." Bishop got his start 30 years ago writing for comics and IP franchises, before later moving to tv/film scriptwriting. These days, he's back to books and is now an award-winning historical crime novelist. Bringing to bear years of varied experience, he walks us through the trenches and pitfalls of an industry that makes trad pub look like child's play--including the kind of working

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24 - The Pervasive Joy of Writing, with RJ Barker

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2023/08/20

Because it's NOT bad, not all the time ;-) After Dr. Kerry's brilliant but hard-hitting previous episode, we wanted to return after summer with something gentler, funnier, and possibly even wholesome. This week, please join us as we talk to award-winning fantasy author RJ Barker. Despite dropping out of high school, suffering a chronic illness, losing one agent, and dying on sub , RJ has found his feet on the shaky ship of trad publishing. These days, he has 9 published books under his belt and many

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23 - The Minimum Viability Threshold: Why Some Books...

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2023/07/14

In 2008, Dr. Kerry Spencer Pray watched her book die on submission after the financial crash halted publishing acquisitions. She then decided to do a PhD, focusing her research on what makes books sell. After studying hundreds of factors, Dr. Kerry Pray zeroed in on a handful that seemed correlated with book sales in some way. All of them were marketing related, and often linked to a book’s advance (which is itself often representative of the support a novel gets). Let's dig in!Dr. Pray talks to us

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22 - The Mayonnaise Buffet

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2023/07/09

This week, the wise and witty Ella McLeod sits down to talk with us about the hard-hitting, ever-prevalent topic of whiteness in publishing, including in our own podcast (!) and dissecting the dreaded Diversity Tick-Box. (And if you're curious about that title, we do explain it in-episode!) But first, we also chat about some of the differences between YA and adult publishing, and her experiences as an actress, poet, podcaster, and now a debut author. Also, Ella turns the tables at the end to ask

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21 - Against All (g)Odds

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2023/06/30

After 25 years, 47 books, and at least 4 different genres, Miles Cameron (aka Christian Cameron) has seen and survived a lot in publishing. In addition to being an author, he is also a US Navy officer, trained historian, and martial artist. But when the thriller market changed and sky-high advances evaporated, Miles moved on to historical, fantasy, and even science fiction. Today, we talk about surviving the end of your writing career, and starting from scratch (but this time, on midlist

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20 - When Passion Meets Business, with Daphne Tonge

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2023/06/24

In 2015, Daphne Tonge started a small "book crate" subscription service out of her London living room, with a tiny pool of subscribers. Today, Illumicrate is a well-known specialist retailer, with a thriving fanbase and strong industry presence, which has laid the groundwork for Daphne's next co-current venture: Daphne Press, an independent publishing imprint run on the same values and with the same marketing savvy. In this detailed, question-loaded interview, Daphne kindly joins us to talk the

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19 - The 50k Download Special: My 600-Rejection Life,...

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2023/06/16

Huge thanks to our listeners for helping us hit 50,000 total downloads! We are incredibly humbled by the interest and support so far. This episode was recorded during the week while Scott was off for paternity leave, and only features Sunyi as host, with R.R. Virdi (author of THE FIRST BINDING) and Wayne Santos (author of THE CHIMERA CODE) as dual guests, and is more wide-ranging and conversational that some of our other episodes as a result.Content warning for open discussion of drug use, mental

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Bonus clip: Ep18 Outtakes (with Sunyi, Scott, and Julia)

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2023/06/11

A little bit of bonus chatter, extra Scott jokes, interruptions from small children, and general background chaos that was cut from episode 18

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18 - A Song of Contracts And Unions, with Julia Vee

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2023/06/09

So you've signed a book deal, and the book contract has arrived. What does it mean, what can you ask for or changed, and how involved should you be? What organisations can help, if any? Also, why don't we have a writer's union / writer's guild, and how might we get one in future?Today, we sit down with Julia Vee, who is an established indie author with a forthcoming trad title, Ebony Gate, via Tor 2023. Julia also happens to be an attorney in her dayjob and we can't wait to discuss those questions

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17 - Burnout And Other Bullsh*t, with Premee Mohamed

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2023/06/03

Premee Mohamed is a Nebula, World Fantasy, and Aurora award-winning Indo-Caribbean scientist, and speculative fiction author, with a prolific list of titles and publications to her name. Today, she joins us to talk about the realities of burnout in publishing, and the mental health burden that many authors labor under. It's a heavy topic, but hopefully addressed with plenty of humor, and we hope you find some of it helpful (or at least a source of commiseration!)

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16 - Surviving a Series 'Death Spiral' with Peter McLean

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2023/05/19

Today we're joined by Peter McLean, a fantasy writer who clawed his way to authorhood through an indie publisher slush pile, despite not being agented at the time. Pete talks to us about his publisher imploding, his first series getting canned, and the perseverance that saw him land another book deal--this time with one of the Big 5. Seven books and ten years later, he's still in the game, with a wide range of experiences and insights to share. And a few laughs along the way.

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15 - Reviews, lists, & other media circuses, with...

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2023/05/12

How do bloggers hear about books, curate lists, and choose what to review? Why does it feel like every list has the same books? Do physical arcs matter when it comes to getting reviews, and how does author platform intersect? This week we're joined by Daniel Roman, the Associate Editor at the thriving and enormous "Winter Is Coming" sff fansite, to talk about all those topics and more--including suggestions for how authors can conduct themselves online, the importance (or not) of individual

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14 - Film Rights & Hype Trains, with Nicholas Binge

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2023/05/05

After years of unsuccessful querying and one small-press book, Nick finally hit it big with a break-out novel. Billed among this year's top sci-fi thrillers, ASCENSION is hot property, and has gone to auction in multiple countries--including for its film/tv options.Today, Nick sits down to chat with us about navigating the world of film/tv options, and how it intersects with book publishing. In addition to talking about the money side, he also defines key terms, gives an overview of the process, and

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13 - The Small Press Experience, with Nadia Afifi

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2023/04/29

This week, we sit down with Arab-American author Nadia Afifi, for a concise and chilled-out chat about her experience of publishing a scifi trilogy through Flametree Press. A lot of listeners are curious about life outside the Big 5 / bigger midsize publishers, so we've tried to cover a number of angles! This episode also touches briefly on wholesaling versus distribution, why royalty percentages vary so much for small presses, advance sizes in that category, and short story writing as a form of

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12 - The Finances of a Full-Time Author, with Andrea...

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2023/04/20

Today we're joined by Andrea Stewart, author of the acclaimed Drowning Empire Trilogy via Orbit. In addition to discussing her long journey to publication and her experience of debuting mid-Covid, Andrea also goes into the practicalities of managing your author finances. We look at how income works out year-by-year at this stage of publishing, talk frankly about the amount of money authors need to survive (versus what they often get), and discuss basic aspects of financial planning: taxes, savings,

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11 - Letting The Good Times Roll, with Nicholas Eames

Publishing Rodeo: The Good, The Bad, and the Bloody Ugly ·

2023/04/14

Today we're joined by Nicholas Eames, author of cult favorite KINGS OF THE WYLD to discuss his publishing experience in a wide-ranging interview. Eames is a debut success story, and we hope you find his conversation as funny, uplifting, and engaging as we did (a welcome change after last week's grim deconstruction!) Other topics addressed: -- the creative process of working with a trad editor-- life as a "slow" writer-- how doing other creative projects can keep the writing passion going (this one

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10th Episode Special: Q&A with Sunyi Dean and Scott...

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2023/04/09

In celebration of making it to 10 episodes, Scott & Sunyi answer some of the host-specific and/or personal questions that listeners have submitted. This is not really an official episode, just a fun, rambly, probably-too-opinionated extra for them who are interested.

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9 - Launch Day Damage, with Sunyi Dean & Scott Drakeford

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2023/04/07

You know the drill: same genre, same publisher, same debut year--but very different deal sizes, and very different publisher treatment. But how does that actually translate to a book's performance, and what impact does it REALLY have? With the help of some Captain Morgan rum, Sunyi and Scott talk about the months surrounding each of their launch dates, and how their books did, or didn't, perform sales-wise.Other topics include:How Scott hired a publicist (and other things he tried to give his book a

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