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The GovNavigators Show

Welcome, everyone, to the The GovNavigators Show - a government focused show that won’t make you seasick.We hope to enlighten and enliven your week with news and insightful, entertaining guests all on the topic of government management.Check out more at www.govnavigators.com

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26:51

From OMB to IRS: Danny Werfel on Making Reform Stick

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/07/07

This week on the GovNavigators Show, former IRS Commissioner Danny Werfel joins us to unpack the Trump administration’s rapid-fire push to modernize the IRS—and what gets lost when speed outruns strategy. Drawing on decades of federal service, including senior roles at OMB and DOJ, Danny reflects on his team’s detailed IRS transformation plan, contrasts it with today’s approach, and raises big questions about transparency, workforce cuts, and cybersecurity risks. Plus, a bonus deep dive into ...

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7:57

Pop-up Episode: Celebrating Independence Day!

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/07/01

The GovNavigators prepare for Independence Day weekend in this special pop-up episode of the GovNavigators Show. Unfortunately, leadership in Congress likely won't be enjoying the fireworks, as the administration insists everyone stay in town until the "Big, Beautiful Bill" is on the President's desk. Meanwhile, Russ Vought calls for a shakeup in federal auditing, and HUD gets a new headquarters.

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29:58

Karen Kerrigan on Small Business at a Crossroads

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/06/23

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Karen Kerrigan, head of the Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council, shares insights from 30 years at the forefront of small business advocacy. From tax uncertainty and regulatory challenges to the promise of technology and smarter federal procurement, Karen breaks down what small businesses need now—and what policymakers can do to help. Show Notes SBE: Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council SBA: Small Business Administration CTA: ...

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27:23

The Impoundment Saga featuring Doug Criscitello

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/06/16

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Doug Criscitello, Program Integrity Fellow at Arnold Ventures, returns to unpack the resurgence of impoundment in the federal budget discourse. Doug sheds light on the Impoundment Control Act’s history and relevance, explains why the GAO is investigating 39 potential violations, and breaks down the tension between Executive authority and the Legislature’s power of the purse. From rescission packages to apportionments and Anti-Deficiency Act risks, Doug off...

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27:22

Soraya Correa on Rethinking Federal Procurement

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/06/09

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Soraya Correa, President and CEO of National Industries for the Blind and a longtime leader in federal acquisition, joins the show to reflect on her career and what's next for procurement reform. Soraya shares stories from her time building the Procurement Innovation Lab at DHS, offers a no-nonsense take on the FAR overhaul, and explains why empowering contracting officers—and bridging the gap between government and industry—matters more than ever. Show No...

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30:01

The Oracle Returns: Charles Cooper on What’s Next

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/06/02

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Charles Cooper, Managing Partner and Founder of the Brumidi Group, returns to offer his no-nonsense forecast for what’s next on Capitol Hill. From budget reconciliation drama and appropriations gridlock to tariff tensions and the 2026 election, Charles breaks down the policy, politics, and personalities shaping the months ahead—and why even a missed vote could change everything. Show Notes OMB: Technical Supplement to the 2026 Budget GAO: DOT and the Impo...

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6:24

Pop-Up Episode: Honoring Memorial Day!

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/05/26

The GovNavigators take a moment to honor Memorial Day and reflect on the sacrifices made in service to our country. With Congress narrowly advancing a reconciliation package before the long weekend, Robert and Adam also remember longtime good government champion Gerry Connolly.

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29:25

Looking Under the Hood: Joshua Seawell and the...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/05/19

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Joshua Seawell, Head of Policy at the Inclusive Abundance Initiative, joins to break down the thinking behind the Abundance Agenda. Joshua shares how this emerging framework blends high-return public investment with regulatory reform to tackle challenges in housing, energy, AI, and government modernization. Show Notes GAO: 2025 Annual Report Book: Abundance, by Ezra Klein & Derek Thompson EPRA: Energy Permitting Reform Act Events on ...

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28:06

Reimagining Evaluation: A New Vision with Justin Baer

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/05/12

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Justin Baer, Senior Vice President at Fors Marsh, returns to share his perspective on the future of federal evaluation. Drawing from his recent article, Justin outlines why traditional approaches to evidence building are falling short—and what needs to change. Show Notes GovExec: The Baer Method: A Roadmap for Agile Evidence Building Events on the GovNavigators' Radar May 13: AGA's Performance Counts Summit May 22: PSC's FedHealth Conference

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26:45

Rethinking Government with David Walker

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/05/05

This week on the GovNavigators Show, former Comptroller General David M. Walker joins to discuss his tenure leading the Government Accountability Office and his mission to drive lasting reform across the federal government. He reflects on how he transformed GAO into a more efficient, strategically focused agency and makes the case for why the rest of government must follow suit. Show Notes GSA: OneGov Strategy for IT Events on the GovNavigators' Radar May 4-6: ACT-IAC's Emerging Technology &a...

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27:08

Navigating Federal Real Estate with Norm Dong

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/04/29

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Norm Dong, Partner at FD Stonewater, joins to share insights from his distinguished career managing the federal government’s vast real estate portfolio. Reflecting on his tenure in public service, he discusses the complexities of property disposal, the impact of return-to-office policies on government facilities, and how agencies are adapting their real estate strategies for the future. Show Notes GSA: Top Ten Contractor Update Executive Order: ...

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29:53

Unpacking the Budget: A Conversation with Andy Pavord

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/04/21

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Andrew Pavord joins to reflect on a career that spans academia, local and federal government, and the private sector. As President of the American Association for Budget and Program Analysis and CEO of the Federal Consulting Alliance, he unpacks the budget reconciliation process and its impact on fiscal policy. Recorded just before the latest bill’s passage, the conversation explores congressional procedures, spending limits, and what it will take to confr...

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26:09

A Conversation with Tim Brennan: Navigating the Road...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/04/14

This week, the GovNavigators are joined by Tim Brennan, Vice President of Government Relations at Professional Services Council, to discuss how PSC is helping its members navigate today’s uncertain political climate. Tim highlights PSC’s role in sharing information, identifying opportunities, and keeping a close eye on developments at the Capitol. He also previews PSC’s annual conference and why now is the perfect time for industry leaders to come together and strategize for the road ahead. S...

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28:06

Part 2: David Lebryk's Adventures in the Government

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/04/07

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we wrap up our two-part conversation with David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Treasury. In Part 2, David reflects on nearly 40 years of public service, the power of leadership, and what really happens inside Treasury. He shares lessons learned and offers timely advice for today’s federal workforce. Show Notes OMB Memo: Accelerating Federal Use of AI OMB Memo: Driving Efficient Acquisition of AI in the Government Dere...

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29:35

Part 1: David Lebryk's Adventures in the Government

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/03/31

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we welcome David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, for Part 1 of a two-part conversation. David shares the path that led him from a childhood shaped by public service to a decades-long career in government. He reflects on the people, programs, and pivotal moments that influenced his journey, and why his story might be a blueprint for the next generation of public servants. Events on the GovNavigators' Radar A...

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27:34

100th Episode Special: Government Efficiency with...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/03/24

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Allison Brigati, former Deputy Administrator of the General Services Administration, and Daniel Heckman, CEO of MSI Consulting, to share lessons learned from the first Trump administration’s push for government efficiency. They discuss overcoming resistance to change, and harnessing automation and AI to modernize government functions. Additionally, they reflect on how these strategies could shape current reform efforts as we enter Trump’s second term. Show...

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28:23

Ed Amorosi: “Well-Nigh Irrefragable Proof” and the...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/03/17

Ed Amorosi, partner at Haynes Boone, joins the GovNavigators this week to discuss the legal battles over executive orders, personnel dismissals, and contract cancellations. He unpacks the jurisdictional disputes complicating these cases, their broader implications, and the upcoming court decisions that could set major precedents—including long-awaited clarity on the Impoundment Act. Happy St. Patrick's Day! Show Notes Executive Order 14222: Federal agencies review all federal contracts & ...

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27:19

Diving into the GAO High-Risk List with GAO's Nikki...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/03/10

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Nikki Clowers, Managing Director of the Office of Congressional Relations at GAO, to explore the vital role GAO plays in supporting oversight on Capitol Hill. She breaks down the GAO High Risk List—why it matters, how it guides government reform, and what it reveals about agencies in need of transformation. Show Notes GAO: High-Risk Report Trump's Joint Address to Congress: Key Highlights Events on the GovNavigators' Radar March 11: The House Committ...

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29:34

Betsy Beaumon: Shaking Up Social Security—Silicon...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/03/03

From Silicon Valley to just north of Capitol Hill, Betsy Beaumon joins the GovNavigators Show to share how she brought tech-driven transformation to the Social Security Administration. She reflects on her personal connection to SSA’s mission, the creation of the Office of Transformation, and the major strides made in improving security, operations, and customer experience. Show Notes GAO: High-Risk Report DOGE EO: Implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency" Cost Efficie...

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28:51

A Conversation with Kelly Morrison: Driving...

The GovNavigators Show ·

2025/02/24

This week, The GovNavigators welcomes one of our favorite guests, Kelly Morrison, Senior Vice President at HumanTouch. With a distinguished 16-year tenure in the federal government she shares insights from her federal service and explores how data management and modernization can drive efficiency within DOGE's mission. Show Notes Presidential Actions: Radical Transparency about Wasteful Spending Ensuring Accountability for all Agencies Commencing the Reduction of the Fe...

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