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beyond ArtLess

Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.

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56:55

Fran Kick

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2025/05/11

Send us a text There are leaders and there are followers. Thankfully, Fran Kick joins us this week to lead us through a delightful conversation. Granted, Peter, Phil and Chris DO get lost multiple times but Fran gracefully get us back on track. Check out Fran's amazing videos, resources, and books including the "Have to, Get to, Want to" video and article in the show notes! Show Notes: Learn more about Fran here: https://www.kickitin.com/ Have to, Get to, Want to [YouTube video] https://y...

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12:36

Our Biggest Interview Fail - Sorry Owen! By The Way...

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2025/05/03

Send us a text We saved the best for last. Enjoy our final interview from our Midwest 2024 booth. This interview features our good friend Owen. Where is he from? Don't know. What does he do? Not sure? What does he look like? Don't have a picture. Was he fun to interview? YES - in fact, he was amazing! Too bad you won't get to hear it. We know we continue to meet, and perhaps, surpass your expectations each and every week. You can look forward to five more episodes this season. Who knows...

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Midwest 2024 Compilation 2

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2025/04/26

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! Want to find out more about the Beyond The Notes Festi...

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61:03

Michael Markowski

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2025/04/19

Send us a text Phil asked one truly insightful question—alongside a few not-so-great ones—but we’re incredibly proud of how much he’s grown. Peter made an impressive comeback in PPTD, while Chris continues to meet challenges head-on (bless his heart). This week’s guest is the complete opposite of your usual hosts—thoughtful, intelligent, kind, and wildly creative. What a joy it was to chat with Michael Markowski about his music, his mentorship, and the magic behind his creative process. ...

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57:44

Laura Dunbar

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2025/04/13

Send us a text Maybe Chris should learn how to take notes. Maybe Peter should learn how to arrange travel for guests. Maybe Phil should learn how to interview. Our guest Dr. Laura Dunbar can do all of these things better than our hosts and is also a world class educator! Dr. Dunbar is head of music education studies at UW Eau Claire and also coordinates the Chippewa Valley Youth Choirs and directs the Very Young Composers of the Chippewa Valley Workshop. Listen o...

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69:48

Omar Thomas

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2025/04/06

Send us a text It’s hard to mess up a podcast when you have a guest like Omar Thomas. In this episode, we talk with Omar about his incredibly busy and creative schedule, the release of his new album Griot Songs, and the behind-the-scenes process of recording it with the Omar Thomas Large Ensemble. Omar reflects on his compositional approach, the art of crossing genres, and the importance of teaching and fostering artistic growth in students. He also shares insights into his latest commissione...

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56:22

Bill Drury

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2025/03/30

Send us a text March Madness is in full swing and our guest is providing us all the knowledge our commuter will ever need about Gonzaga basketball. Bill Drury shares with us about his career as Associate Director of Wind Ensembles at New England Conservatory. And also his journey to NEC by way of the railroad, parking valet attendant and more. Not to forget his parallel career as a military servant in the Air National Guard. Peter, Phil and Chris provide the typical us...

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66:07

Mickaela Pasch

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2025/03/22

Send us a text Join us this week as we learn from a young teacher who is much brighter than we are! Mickaela Pasch is a recent Concordia grad changing lives all around the state of Minnesota. Intentional, passionate, a volunteer, and visionary in music education (all the things we are not), Mickaela has so many gifts to share with our audience about the real ways to be a successful music teacher. Join us as Phil actually asks quality questions and Chris simply sits and draws pictures. When th...

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59:38

Mary Land

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2025/03/15

Send us a text This week, Eric Songer steps in for Phil, delivering a strong performance as co-host. After helping Peter tackle a minor wardrobe noise issue, we dive into a fantastic conversation with Dr. Mary Land, Associate Professor of Music Education at Western Michigan University. We explore her journey in music education, the power of community in teaching, the impact of mentorship, and the opportunities ahead for future educators. Plus, we introduce two new segments: "Leave it to Bever...

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65:05

Michael Kasper

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2025/03/09

Send us a text It's a BIG week for this below-average podcast! We wrap up our "Inquiring Teens Want to Know" segment (big thanks to Edina HS) and finally put the "What Would Phil and Peter Do" (WWPPD) segment to rest. As if that wasn't enough, our guest Michael Kasper knocks it out of the park, answering poorly conceived questions with brilliance. Tune in to hear Michael, an exceptional music educator, dive deep into artistry, score preparation, comprehensive musicianship, and—yes—even breakf...

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65:39

Henry Dorn

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2025/03/02

Send us a text The Lutheran Mafia has strong representation in this week’s episode! We visit with Dr. Henry Dorn from St. Olaf College and get to hear his southern flare mixed with Midwest appreciation for the cold weather. As usual, Haberman talks too much, Gleason adds in sound effects, and Ostrander sputters sentence fragments. Listen in as we talk about balancing time between family and music, being both a composer and a conductor, and the joy of teaching at a liberal arts college with a ...

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60:48

Rachel Maxwell

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2025/02/22

Send us a text That’s it. We’re officially done… with WWPPD. But wait—there’s more good news! This week, we’re joined by the incredible Rachel Maxwell, a renowned middle school music educator and band director from Traughber Junior High in Oswego, IL. We dive into her journey from budding musician to leading her band at the prestigious Midwest Band and Orchestra Clinic. Along the way, we cover everything from advice for new educators and tuba player mishaps to tips for improving your young ba...

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16:32

JoAnne Harris & Alex Tedrow

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2025/02/16

Send us a text Show Notes: Learn more about our guests here: JoAnne Harris Alex Tedrow Audio Credits: Flickers by Alex Tedrow, JMU Symphonic Band - Oct. 24, 2023 JMU Symphonic Band Chris DeVona, conductor Audio Recording by Tom Carr https://youtu.be/Xtwweofwo6I?si=2STuOwqyhPJkdl3A 1. NEW - Rising Music Educator Project (RMEP) - Deadline to Apply Feb 28 Are you ready to take your music education journey to the next level? The Rising Music Educator Program (RMEP) is your chance to grow, learn, ...

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Jack Kinsella Midwest 2024

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2025/02/08

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! Show Notes: Learn more about Jack here! 1. NEW - Risi...

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Jamal Rossi

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2025/02/08

Send us a text Perhaps the name of the podcast should be changed to “folks smarter than Chris, Phil and Peter.” Dr. Jamal Rossi has been Dean of the Eastman School of Music for the last decade and has worked as an administrator at some of the country’s finest schools of music. Trained as a classical saxophonist, Dr. Rossi quickly transitioned into administration and visionary leadership in his 20s. Chris, Peter and Phil still hadn’t bought a suit at that point in their caree...

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Melody Snyder Midwest 2024

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2025/02/05

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE! https://bit.ly/ArtL...

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Jessica Meyer Midwest 2024

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2025/02/05

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE! https://bit.ly/ArtLes...

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59:54

Nacho Piqueras

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2025/02/02

Send us a text Beyond Artless has gone international! This week, we are expanding our horizons with Nacho Piqueras from Oros Travel & Culture. A friend of Peter’s and a music enthusiast, Nacho enjoys connecting people from different cultures through musical and travel experiences that create win-win opportunities for everyone involved. Our conversation covers a wide range of topics: travel, music, sociology, leadership, humility, running, and, of course, soccer. Nacho’s intentional, passi...

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62:38

Annie Ray

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2025/01/26

Send us a textWhat does this week's guest have that this podcast will never have? A GRAMMY! That's right, this week's guest is the 2024 GRAMMY Music Educator of the Year, Annie Ray. Annie currently serves as both the Orchestra Director and Performing Arts Department Chair at Annandale High School (AHS) in the Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) system. Annie is an advocate for providing universal access to quality music education and is known for founding and developing creative opportunities...

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51:42

Midwest 2024 Compilation 1: Smith, VanderLoop,...

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2025/01/21

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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