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beyond ArtLess

Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.

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56:22

Bill Drury

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2025/03/30

Send us a text March Madness is in full swing and our guest is providing us all the knowledge our commuter will ever need about Gonzaga basketball. Bill Drury shares with us about his career as Associate Director of Wind Ensembles at New England Conservatory. And also his journey to NEC by way of the railroad, parking valet attendant and more. Not to forget his parallel career as a military servant in the Air National Guard. Peter, Phil and Chris provide the typical us...

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Mickaela Pasch

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2025/03/22

Send us a text Join us this week as we learn from a young teacher who is much brighter than we are! Mickaela Pasch is a recent Concordia grad changing lives all around the state of Minnesota. Intentional, passionate, a volunteer, and visionary in music education (all the things we are not), Mickaela has so many gifts to share with our audience about the real ways to be a successful music teacher. Join us as Phil actually asks quality questions and Chris simply sits and draws pictures. When th...

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59:38

Mary Land

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2025/03/15

Send us a text This week, Eric Songer steps in for Phil, delivering a strong performance as co-host. After helping Peter tackle a minor wardrobe noise issue, we dive into a fantastic conversation with Dr. Mary Land, Associate Professor of Music Education at Western Michigan University. We explore her journey in music education, the power of community in teaching, the impact of mentorship, and the opportunities ahead for future educators. Plus, we introduce two new segments: "Leave it to Bever...

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65:05

Michael Kasper

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2025/03/09

Send us a text It's a BIG week for this below-average podcast! We wrap up our "Inquiring Teens Want to Know" segment (big thanks to Edina HS) and finally put the "What Would Phil and Peter Do" (WWPPD) segment to rest. As if that wasn't enough, our guest Michael Kasper knocks it out of the park, answering poorly conceived questions with brilliance. Tune in to hear Michael, an exceptional music educator, dive deep into artistry, score preparation, comprehensive musicianship, and—yes—even breakf...

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Henry Dorn

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2025/03/02

Send us a text The Lutheran Mafia has strong representation in this week’s episode! We visit with Dr. Henry Dorn from St. Olaf College and get to hear his southern flare mixed with Midwest appreciation for the cold weather. As usual, Haberman talks too much, Gleason adds in sound effects, and Ostrander sputters sentence fragments. Listen in as we talk about balancing time between family and music, being both a composer and a conductor, and the joy of teaching at a liberal arts college with a ...

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Rachel Maxwell

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2025/02/22

Send us a text That’s it. We’re officially done… with WWPPD. But wait—there’s more good news! This week, we’re joined by the incredible Rachel Maxwell, a renowned middle school music educator and band director from Traughber Junior High in Oswego, IL. We dive into her journey from budding musician to leading her band at the prestigious Midwest Band and Orchestra Clinic. Along the way, we cover everything from advice for new educators and tuba player mishaps to tips for improving your young ba...

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JoAnne Harris & Alex Tedrow

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2025/02/16

Send us a text Show Notes: Learn more about our guests here: JoAnne Harris Alex Tedrow Audio Credits: Flickers by Alex Tedrow, JMU Symphonic Band - Oct. 24, 2023 JMU Symphonic Band Chris DeVona, conductor Audio Recording by Tom Carr https://youtu.be/Xtwweofwo6I?si=2STuOwqyhPJkdl3A 1. NEW - Rising Music Educator Project (RMEP) - Deadline to Apply Feb 28 Are you ready to take your music education journey to the next level? The Rising Music Educator Program (RMEP) is your chance to grow, learn, ...

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11:25

Jack Kinsella Midwest 2024

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2025/02/08

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! Show Notes: Learn more about Jack here! 1. NEW - Risi...

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57:38

Jamal Rossi

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2025/02/08

Send us a text Perhaps the name of the podcast should be changed to “folks smarter than Chris, Phil and Peter.” Dr. Jamal Rossi has been Dean of the Eastman School of Music for the last decade and has worked as an administrator at some of the country’s finest schools of music. Trained as a classical saxophonist, Dr. Rossi quickly transitioned into administration and visionary leadership in his 20s. Chris, Peter and Phil still hadn’t bought a suit at that point in their caree...

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Melody Snyder Midwest 2024

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2025/02/05

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE! https://bit.ly/ArtL...

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Jessica Meyer Midwest 2024

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2025/02/05

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE! https://bit.ly/ArtLes...

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59:54

Nacho Piqueras

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2025/02/02

Send us a text Beyond Artless has gone international! This week, we are expanding our horizons with Nacho Piqueras from Oros Travel & Culture. A friend of Peter’s and a music enthusiast, Nacho enjoys connecting people from different cultures through musical and travel experiences that create win-win opportunities for everyone involved. Our conversation covers a wide range of topics: travel, music, sociology, leadership, humility, running, and, of course, soccer. Nacho’s intentional, passi...

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62:38

Annie Ray

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2025/01/26

Send us a textWhat does this week's guest have that this podcast will never have? A GRAMMY! That's right, this week's guest is the 2024 GRAMMY Music Educator of the Year, Annie Ray. Annie currently serves as both the Orchestra Director and Performing Arts Department Chair at Annandale High School (AHS) in the Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) system. Annie is an advocate for providing universal access to quality music education and is known for founding and developing creative opportunities...

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Midwest 2024 Compilation 1: Smith, VanderLoop,...

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2025/01/21

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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Jason Gillette

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2025/01/20

Send us a textThis episode has it all. If all you care about is plastic footwear. Crocs seem to dominate this week’s episode with our guest - 29 year veteran teacher Jason Gillette. Jason is the band director at Marquette University High School and is an extraordinary sax player. Yet another guest is an alumnus of the Disneyland All American College Band. Thankfully, Chris and Jason agree to disagree about their favorite football teams. One of our first gue...

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Corey Pompey

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2025/01/12

Send us a textWhat better way to start 2025 than with our guest, UW-Madison Associate Director of Bands, Dr. Corey Pompey. Corey shares his journey that has led him to the frigid tundra of Madison, Wisconsin taking the helm of the Badger Marching Band after the storied career of Mike Leckrone. Phil admits to sleeping in Hockey Arenas, Peter admits to stealing Chris’ guest, and Chris admits that the show is better if he speaks less frequently. ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/Ar...

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Louise Smith

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2025/01/11

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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Renee Lechner & Ian Melrose Midwest 2024

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2025/01/05

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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Vicente Piqueras Midwest 2024

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2025/01/02

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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Emily Chasowy Midwest 2024

beyond ArtLess ·

2025/01/02

Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessSh...

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