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Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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54:51

Listener Q&A With Thomas & Matthew Green

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/02

This week, Thomas sits down with journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a special episode to answer questions from our community of listeners.They discuss how we can recognize when we’re carrying unresolved trauma from the past, how we can support our children’s healing while honoring ancestral trauma, and what questions we need to ask ourselves as we embark on our own healing journeys.They also explore why we should approach our trauma responses with

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54:34

Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/25

How can joy and curiosity help us navigate the most difficult times in our lives?This week, Thomas is joined once again by Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, a trauma researcher, life coach, and author, to explore how curiosity and imagination are some of our most important and most trainable tools when we’re facing relational conflicts, traumatic experiences, grief and loss, and anxiety inducing news cycles. It might seem counterintuitive, but these resources give us much needed perspective, help us

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16:32

Bonus: The Mysticism of Light

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/20

Feeling disconnected or stuck? In this short teaching from Thomas, you’ll learn how to tap into an embodied awareness of your inner light and channel the higher consciousness of your soul to unlock creativity, innovation, and direction for your future. This deep session offers guidance on refining your inner world to listen for the subtle stream of future insights, bringing needed updates and making you more open to previously unseen potential paths.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on

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52:17

Dr. Richard Schwartz | Healing Collective Ancestral...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/18

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Richard Schwartz, the founder of Internal Family Systems, for an in-depth discussion on the power of healing in groups, intergenerational and ancestral trauma healing, and the relationship between therapy and spirituality—all topics that are featured in their forthcoming book; Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective Trauma.Thomas and Dr. Schwartz dive deep into the phenomena of ancestral and collective "legacy burdens",

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01:10:10

Jack Kornfield | Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/11

This week, Thomas sits down with writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield, for a conversation about the twists and turns on the spiritual path and the quest for a defined identity. Drawing on hard-won expertise, they dissect spiritual bypassing, embrace the necessity of disillusionment, and share rituals and practices to help you reclaim the sacred.Both teachers have extensive experience with trauma, pioneering our understanding of how trauma healing and spiritual

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01:09:14

Iya Affo | Ancestral Healing and Indigenous Wisdom

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/04

Trauma may be passed down through generations, but so are healing, benevolence, and spiritual guidance.This week, Thomas sits down with Iya Affo, an international speaker and the founder of Heal Historical Trauma, to discuss ancestral trauma and wisdom, Indigenous healing traditions, and collective resilience.Iya shares her personal journey of healing and connecting with her cultural identity, sharing how community practices and communal rituals are essential for individual and collective

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12:40

Bonus: The Turning Point of Now

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/30

Thomas shares a short teaching on how we can work together to navigate global crises, identify areas of unaddressed collective trauma, and transform outdated social structures with more emergent, creative, compassionate movements.In order for humanity to move into the next stage of development, we must address the frozen wounds of our past in order to stop repeating the same mistakes. Thomas explores ways to overcome our current state of fragmentation to prevent destructive crises before they occur

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39:28

Freedom, Wholeness, and Healing Through Integration

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/28

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on trauma healing, ego integration, and embodied trust. Through the lens of traditional spiritual practices and the Tao Te Ching, he explores how trauma disconnects us from inner coherence, and why it’s important to understand and accept the intelligence of our defense patterns instead of simply trying to get rid of them.He also shares a unique perspective on trust, relationality, and worthiness, and challenges the idea of completely “dissolving the ego” and

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56:40

Serene Thin Elk | Connecting to Our Spiritual...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/21

Can connecting with our ancestors help us see the sacredness in moments of deep crisis and grief?This week, Thomas sits down with Serene Thin Elk, a Lakota/ Dakota mental health and addiction therapist and speaker, for a vulnerable and moving conversation on ancestral healing, intergenerational trauma, grief, and collective wisdom.Serene shares her journey, driven by a need to understand her own and her community's suffering, including the intergenerational effects of historical trauma on Indigenous

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01:05:02

Soren Gordhamer | Spiritually-Informed Technology

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/14

Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis of loneliness, fragmentation, and polarization. Soren suspects that our “inner technologies of the

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23:01

Becoming an Ally of Life

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/07

Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can emerge. Thomas shares how this principle applies on a small scale in our personal lives and on a larger

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11:12

Bonus Preview: john a. powell at the Collective...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/02

“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powellIn this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering is actually an unfortunate byproduct of our desire to belong and survive within a specific group.He and

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59:12

Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/30

Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma?This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences as a young gay man whose sexuality was demonized by his church.Pádraig and Thomas discuss the

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01:00:50

Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/23

Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe?This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutting-edge science.Breath is both a core element of spiritual practice and a physical process that directs

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24:43

Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/16

The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles.✨ Click here to watch

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01:14:14

Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/09

This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in therapy.Esther defines the “erotic” as a feeling of aliveness and vibrancy that transcends the context

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19:52

Unifying Science and Spirituality

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/02

Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing?This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence.Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation between these two worlds, and learn how practicing presence and attuning with the wholeness of the information

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09:37

Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/28

Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit.Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen.In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing

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55:15

Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders |...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/26

A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey,

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32:00

Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/19

How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create

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