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Break the Business

Break the Business Podcast

A show for indie creators and the people who love and support them. Break the Business Podcast is a fun and informative discussion of entertainment law (for non-lawyers), independent artists, and popular culture. Break the Business is recorded live on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern at twitch.tv/breakthebusiness. Catch the show on Mondays at 6pm on SiriusXM Channel 145 SLAM Radio and on all major podcast platforms! If you"d like to be a guest or have any questions, please send us an email at

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59:43

BTB Ep 475: Sam Smith caught in the copyright...

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2025/05/11

TOPICS: Sam Smith is the latest victim of copyright litigation run amok; Ryan and Zak answer a listener's question about “cancellation fees”; we interview Dynamic Talent International CEO Trevor Swenson about his company’s recent expansion into K-pop and what artists can learn from that genre of music. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.dynamictalent.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan

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1:04:51

BTB Ep 474: Managing stress as a creator;...

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2025/05/04

TOPICS: Ryan is upset at Mariah Carey’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Snub; tips for managing stress as a creator; we answer a listener's question about copyright ownership and working with freelancers; we interview artist, producer, and theramin product Clara Venice. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting claravenice.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast

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59:02

BTB Ep 473: Funny realtor videos; interview with...

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2025/04/27

TOPICS: Ryan is obsessed with @tampa_bre’s real estate videos; Ryan and ElisaRockDoc talk about the new CGA rider that has protections for creators when they do brand deals; ElisaRockDoc career update. We interview music industry legend Ralph Tashjian. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.interceptmusic.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast

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58:35

BTB Ep 472: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift with...

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2025/04/20

TOPICS: Why don’t we see garage bands anymore? The Creators Guild developed a rider agreement for brand partnership deals; we interview Harvard Business Review Senior Editor Kevin Evers about his new book “There’s Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift.” Kevin’s book is available now wherever books are sold!Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast

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58:40

TOPICS: NO FAKES Act is back; we interview artist and...

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2025/04/13

TOPICS: Ryan is obsessed with TikTok artist Antronsongs new track “For You”; the Senate re-introduces the NO FAKES Act; Utah passes a new law to protect child influencers; we interview artist and copyright advocate Lana Love. You can follow our guest on Instagram @lanalovemusic.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook and tell a

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59:25

BTB Ep 470: Mariah Carey Copyright Suit DISMISSED;...

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2025/04/06

TOPICS: Ryan and Katie Zaccardi speak about the “All I Want for Christmas is You” copyright lawsuit getting dismissed and what it means for creators; “One Night Live” creates a sustainable model for indie musician touring; we interview recording artist Nicki Richards. You can find out more about our guests' work by visiting www.nickirichards.com. Check out her new single “Tether Me”Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan

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59:14

BTB Ep 469: How Doechii’s “Anxiety” became an...

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2025/03/30

TOPICS: Doechii’s2019 song “Anxiety” hit the Hot 100 Top 10 this week, and how it got there is an amazing story of music promotion in 2025; Ryan breaks down the Miami Music Tech Summit; ElisaRockDoc career update; we interview Grammy-nominated mastering engineer Idania Valencia(Charli XCX, Benson Boone). You can follow our guest on Instagram @idaniava.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the

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1:05:53

BTB Ep 468: Policy solutions to low streaming...

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2025/03/23

TOPICS: Ryan, Gideon King, and Lauren try to figure out what state Creighton University and other NCAA Tournament teams are in; Ryan and Gideon talk about theLiving Wage for Musicians Act; we interview music and social entrepreneur Rudy Love, Jr. of Wichita-based band 2lot. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting 2lot.com and somewhere-fest.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the

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58:12

BTB Ep 467: We break down Spotify’s “Loud and Clear”...

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2025/03/16

TOPICS: Ryan continues to be frustrated with the lack of “transparency” from the President and TreasuryDepartment about the Corporate Transparency Act and its impact on indie artists; Spotify has released its latest “Loud and Clear” report and Ryan and Zak Sloan talk about how the report continues to traffic in misleading statistics; our guest this week is blues singer-songwriter ZZ Ward. She talks to us about creating a blues album about being a mother of two and gives us an intriguing window into

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1:02:27

BTB Ep 466: How to avoid copyright lawsuits when you...

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2025/03/09

TOPICS: Do artists still need to comply with the Corporate Transparency Act?: how to avoid copyright lawsuits when you work with music collaborators (split sheets and releases are important!); we interview entertainment lawyer Mimi Camara. You can follow our guest on Instagram at@itsmimimartine.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on

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1:04:10

BTB Ep 465: Facebook and Twitch are limiting videos;...

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2025/03/02

TOPICS: ElisaRockDoc gives her thoughts on the Chappell Roan Grammy’s story; Facebook and Twitchare both limiting the amount of videos that creators can store on their platforms;ElisaRockDoc career update; we interview musician John Modell of Casa Del Sol. Casa Del Sol’s debut album “Strange Angels” dropped on January 24th and you can find out more about our guest’s work by visitingcasadelsolmusic.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google

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1:05:43

BTB Ep 464: Metal Dave is back!; interview with...

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2025/02/23

TOPICS: Original Break the Business Co-host Metal Dave is joining us to talk about entertainment industry news (and other silly stuff); we interview acclaimed singer, songwriter, and educator Regina Sayles. Her latest single “Quiet Room” was released on January 30th off her new EP “This Love”. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting http://www.reginasayles.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan

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58:41

BTB Ep 463: Kay Hanley talks about Chappell Roan’s...

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2025/02/16

TOPICS: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees; songwriter Kay Hanley stops by to talk about herHollywood Reporter editorial about Chappell Roan’s Grammy speech; our guest this week is musician and author Ben Neill. Ben’s new book is “Diffusing Music: Trajectories of Sonic Democratization”, which explores the role that technology is playing today in making the production, performance, and distribution of music more accessible and democratized. You can find out more about our guest’s work by

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57:45

BTB Ep 462: Chappell Roan’s Grammys Speech; Gaelen...

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2025/02/09

TOPICS: Chappell Roan gave a powerful speech at the Grammys about how record labels should do moreto support artists, but at least one editorial writer had some issues with her approach to activism; weinterview Gaelen McCormick, the Director of the Eastman Performing Arts Medicine Center at theUniversity of Rochester, an organization that aims to leverage the potential of the performing arts in thehealthcare environment, while also supporting the medical needs of artists. You can find out moreabout

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59:20

BTB Ep 461: Freelancing as an influencer; Daniel...

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2025/02/02

TOPICS: BTB Guest Bill Teck is nominated for a Grammy; Ringo Starr has never ate pizza; we talk about why influencers should not be afraid of supplementing their income as a freelancer; our guest this week is Daniel Brindley, co-founder of venue operator Union Stage Presents. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.unionstagepresents.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break

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1:00:41

BTB Ep 460: TikTok is still here (for now); Tim...

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2025/01/26

TOPICS: Gideon King talks to Ryan about the economics of music festivals; are people drinking less at concerts?; how the HITS Act would help musicians save money on their taxes; TikTok is saved (for now), but its long-term prospects are uncertain; our guest this week is Tim Walther, co-founder of the AllGood Now Music Festival. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visitingallgoodpresentslivemusic.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher,

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59:32

BTB Ep 459: Status of the Corporate Transparency Act;...

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2025/01/19

TOPICS: Ryan and Elisa answer a listener question about whether artists still need to file their Beneficial Ownership Information Reports; Nintendo launches a new streaming service; we interview Marc Caruso,CEO and Co-Founder of LA based indie publisher Angry Mob Music. Ryan and Elisa talk to Mark about his80s cover band and Marc’s recent op-ed in Billboard about why indie publishers should unite to level the playing field against the major publishers in the music industry. You can find out more

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58:09

BTB Ep 458: Entertainment law news; country musician...

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2025/01/12

TOPICS: Ryan talks to entertainment lawyer Mark Jaffe about the “Success Kid” copyright lawsuit and the copyrightability of internet memes; we are also joined by law professor Alexandra Roberts about her recent article talking about kid fluencers being able to revoke their consent to using their names for trademarks created by their parents. Our guest this week is country musician and veterans advocateJessica Lynn. Jessica talks to Ryan about her music and her work with Armed Forces Entertainment

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1:03:04

BTB Ep 457: “Is Spotify taking money from indie...

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2025/01/05

TOPICS: “Ghosts in the Machine”: Is Spotify pumping up royalty-free tracks to drive money away from indie artists?; legal things that you need to do when making a documentary; our guest this week is show favorite Bill “Downupright” Boulden. We talk to Bill about the Spotify story as well as Bill’s new“Tartarus” EP. Find out more by visiting downupright.bsky.socialRate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the

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1:04:45

BTB Ep 456: Music trends in 2025; we interview the...

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2024/12/29

TOPICS: Ryan and Gideon King discuss possible new trends in the music industry in 2025 and what they mean for indie artists; our guests this week are Channing Moreland and Makenzie Stokel, the co-founders of gig booking platform EVA. You can find out more about our guests’ work by visiting www.bookwitheva.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the

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