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Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman

A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.

arts design

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00:51:47

56: Navigation

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2025/04/20

Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:40:34

55: Design is Decision Making

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2025/04/06

Anthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design.Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:45:24

54: Design vs. Development

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2025/03/16

Anthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development. Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

01:04:58

53: Deep Dive on the Conceptual Model Layer with...

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2025/03/02

Anthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design. Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:40:40

52: Visual Design Techniques We Love

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2025/02/16

Anthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:42:17

51: Thoughts on the book Do Design: Why beauty is the...

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2025/02/02

Anthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore.Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer:

00:54:14

50: Starting from Scratch vs. Improving Existing Design

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2025/01/19

Anthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both.Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:52:13

49: Design Folklore with Guy Segal

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2025/01/05

Katie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices.Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:35:43

48: Ghosts of Software Past, Present and Future

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2024/12/22

Anthony and Katie bring on the holiday vibes by discussing the past, present and future of software design. Bah humbug! New design systems podcast Katie mentioned: On Theme Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:45:14

47: People We Admire

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2024/12/08

Designers and developers that have influenced us.The folks we mentioned: Stephanie Eckles Andy Bell Brad Frost Elizabeth Goodspeed Frank Chimero David Pye Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:59:56

46: Design for Developers with Nate Butler

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2024/11/24

What does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:43:36

45: Constraints

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2024/11/10

What are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:58:27

44: How to be a more strategic designer with Jared Spool

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2024/10/27

Jared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs.Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:40:51

43: Design for Customization

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2024/10/13

What's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:45:08

42: Performative Good Design

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2024/09/22

It's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist?Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:43:47

41: Elegance vs. Extravagance

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2024/09/08

Anthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:42:58

40: Should Designers Code?

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2024/08/25

How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:56:27

39: Possible Futures for AI in Interface Design with...

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2024/08/11

Anthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed: AI replaces designers and developers completely AI produces a rough draft, a designer “tidies it up” AI builds the interface out of supplied components and a description of how the interface works AI produces content/components on demand, designers change it to suit, then put the interface together Designers ask AI focused

00:56:27

38: Visual Design in Design Systems with Jeremy Elder

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2024/07/28

Anthony, Katie and special guest Jeremy Elder chat about the visual design aspect of design systems. Find Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyelder GitLab's papercuts site: https://papercuts.gitlab.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

00:42:34

37: Good Interface Design Habits

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2024/07/14

Anthony and Katie share their top habits for good interface design.Design inspiration site Anthony mentioned: https://mobbin.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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