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The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Institute

The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfareblog.com.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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55:34

Lawfare Daily: The Year That Was: 2025

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/26

Every year,Lawfarepublishes a retrospective of the year that passed. Today, we’re pleased to bring you an audio debrief of that article, The Year That Was: 2025, which you can read in full on our website starting December 31.Lawfareis focused on producing timely, rigorous, and non-partisan analysis of “hard national security choices.” And this year, that work was—to use an expression as tired as we are—like drinking from a firehose. We did our best to keep up. We published more than 1,000 articles,

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57:46

Lawfare Archive: The National Security Law Podcast:...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/25

From October 18, 2017: If you were unsure about whether your hosts are geeks, this episode will help settle the question. But before we get to what Professors Chesney and Vladeck think they know but don’t really, here’s the stuff they actually do know something about!First, the travel ban. Buckle up, there’s a new nationwide TRO, out of Hawaii, enjoining enforcement of most of Travel Ban 3.0.Second, a double-shot of the Nashiri military commissions case. The Supreme Court deniedcert., seemingly

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43:03

Lawfare Archive: ‘How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter’...

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2025/12/24

From September 19, 2024: On April 14, 2022, New York Times technology reporters Kate Conger and Ryan Mac woke up to a stunning four-word tweet from Elon Musk’s Twitter account: “I made an offer.” Having long covered the technology and social media beat, they read Musk’s terse post as the “unbelievable but inevitable culmination of two storylines we had pursued for a decade as journalists in Silicon Valley.”On today’s episode,LawfareManaging Editor Tyler McBrien spoke to Conger and Mac about the

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53:17

Lawfare Daily: Civ-Mil Relations: Where Are We Now...

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2025/12/23

Loren Voss, Public Service Fellow atLawfare, sits down withKori Schake,senior fellow and the director of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, and Carrie Lee,senior fellow with the German Marshall Fund's Strategic Democracy Initiatives. Theydiscuss how they assess a healthy civil-military relationship, the current state of civil-militaryaffairs, potential unlawful orders, and what we should watchgoing forward.Lee and Schake outline the frameworks they use to assess

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1:44:21

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/22

In a live conversation on YouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Anna Bower, Molly Roberts, and Eric Columbus andLawfarePublic Service Fellow Loren Voss to discuss the government’s failure to re-indict New York Attorney General Letitia James, a jury finding Judge Hannah Dugan guilty of obstructing immigration agents, a legal challenge to the White House ballroom construction, and more.You can find information onlegal challenges to Trump administration

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43:15

Lawfare Archive: Why Pakistan is Deporting Afghan...

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2025/12/21

From November 20, 2023: Over the past few weeks, the country of Pakistan has pursued an aggressive wave of deportations targeting thousands of Afghan refugees, some of whom have been in Pakistan for generations. Many fear that this move will add to the already precarious and humanitarian situation facing Afghanistan. But the Taliban regime, for one, has reacted in a way few expected.To talk through these refugee removals and their ramifications,LawfareSenior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with

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44:45

Lawfare Archive: Memorializing Babyn Yar after the...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/20

From July 1, 2022: When a Russian missile recently struck a TV tower in Kyiv, near Babyn Yar, the site of Nazi mass murders during the Holocaust, some saw the attack as a potent symbol of the tragic occurrence of violence in Ukraine. To talk through the historical significance of the attack, Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Maksym Rokmaniko, an architect, designer, entrepreneur, and director at the Center for Spatial Technologies in Kyiv, and Linda Kinstler, a PhD candidate in the

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45:44

Lawfare Daily: ‘Deportation, Inc.’ and the Rise of...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/19

LawfareManaging Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with SITU’s Deputy Director of Research Gauri Bahuguna, Detention Watch Network’s Advocacy Director Setareh Ghandehari, the American Immigration Council’s Policy Director Nayna Gupta, and Just Futures Law’s Executive Director Paromita Shah to discuss the rise of the immigration enforcement economy following the recent release of“Deportation, Inc.” a new video series from SITU andLawfare.They talk about why the government outsources the critical

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48:59

Lawfare Daily: Trump Admin Attacks on Inspectors...

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2025/12/18

Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Cristin Dorgelo, a former senior adviser for management at the Office of Management and Budget, and Rob Storch, who served as the inspector general of the Defense Department until the Trump administration fired him and many of his colleagues in January of this year. They discuss those firings, other Trump administration attacks on the offices of the inspector general, and various attempts by the administration to undermine oversight and evade

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1:22:27

Rational Security: The “Chestbursters Roasting on an...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/17

This week, Scott down with his Lawfare colleagues Alan Rozenshtein and Ari Tabatabai to talk through a few of the week’s big national security news stories, including:“Once You Pop, You Can’t Stop.” The Trump administration has given a green light to Nvidia to export its powerful H200 chips to China, opening a potentially significant new market while jumpstarting China’s strategically significant AI industry—or, perhaps, making it reliant on U.S. technology. What explains this decision? And how does

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42:41

Lawfare Daily: Scott Anderson on How Social Media...

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2025/12/17

Lawfare Senior Editor Alan Rozenshtein speaks with Scott Anderson, Senior Editor at Lawfare, fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution, and non-resident senior fellow in the National Security Law Program at Columbia Law School, who recently wrote a report about how social media platforms should handle unrecognized regimes like the Taliban. They discuss how social media platforms responded to the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan in 2021; the divergent approaches of Meta, YouTube, and

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38:31

Lawfare Daily: Ukraine’s Asymmetric Blueprint in the...

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2025/12/16

At the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia held clear naval superiority in the Black Sea. Over the course of the war, Ukraine has developed an asymmetric maritime strategy using unmanned surface vehicles (USVs), achieving strategic effects against a superior naval force.Ukraine has largely shifted from importing complete drone systems to assembling them domestically using foreign components, with China remaining a key supplier of many critical parts. What is more, Ukraine is now

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1:37:08

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/12/15

In a live conversation on YouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Anna Bower, Molly Roberts, and Eric Columbus andLawfarePublic Service Fellow Loren Voss to discuss next week's contempt hearings inJ.G.G. v. Trump, the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from ICE custody, domestic deployments litigation, and moreYou can find information onlegal challenges to Trump administration actions here. And check outLawfare’s new homepage on thelitigation, newBluesky

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35:41

Lawfare Archive: Introducing Allies: A Podcast Series...

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2025/12/14

From May 16, 2022: Today, Lawfare and Goat Rodeo released the first two episodes of Allies, a podcast series that traces the U.S.’s efforts to protect Afghan interpreters, translators and other partners through the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program. That effort culminated in the U.S. evacuation from Afghanistan in August 2021, when thousands of the U.S.’s local partners were left behind. In seven episodes, Allies will take listeners through the decade-long effort to honor America’s promises to

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1:08:32

Lawfare Archive: President-elect Trump's National...

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2025/12/13

From November 16, 2024: Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Scott Anderson, Alan Rozenshtein, and Quinta Jurecic and Executive Director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection Mary McCord about Donald Trump's picks for his Cabinet and senior-level administration positions, including Matt Gaetz as attorney general and Pete Hegseth as secretary of defense, the possibility of Trump using the recess appointment power, and more.Editor’s note: During a

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56:16

Lawfare Live: The Trump Administration’s 2025...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/12

At10 am ET on Dec. 11,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editor Scott R. Anderson;LawfareForeign Policy Editor and Director of the Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program at CSIS Daniel Byman; and Director of Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at AEI Kori Schake to discuss the Trump administration’s 2025 National Security Strategy. They talked about its emphasis on immigration as a national security threat and its implications for U.S. foreign policy.To

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53:05

Lawfare Daily: The Duty to Disobey Unlawful Orders

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/11

News of a U.S. attack on a boat off the coast of Venezuela—which included a second strike on survivors of the first—has raised new concerns about the administration’s operations against alleged drug traffickers. Legal analysts, includingsome at Lawfare, call the second strike clearly unlawful. So why did the U.S. military agree to follow the order?On today’s episode, Executive Editor Natalie Orpett discusses the roles and responsibilities of military personnel with Frank Rosenblatt, a professor at

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1:04:41

Rational Security: The “Adverse Possession” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/10

This week, Scott sat down with Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien and Contributing Editor Alex Zerden to talk through a few of the week’s big national security news stories, including:“Finding the Road to Damascus.” Former dictator Bashar al-Assad fled Syria one year ago this week, bringing a precipitous end to the country’s more than decade-long civil war. In the year since, has the country been able to make progress toward the optimistic future many hoped would follow al-Assad’s ouster? And

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52:18

Lawfare Daily: The Defense Tech Paradox, with...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/10

Susannah Glickman, an assistant professor of history at Stony Brook University who specializes in the political economy of computation and information, sat down withLawfareAssociate Editor Olivia Manes to discuss the role of defense tech in the second Trump administration. Susannah unpacked her recent article in the New York Review of Books tracing the historical relationship between tech, defense, and the U.S. government, and explained how defense tech firms which have benefitted from U.S

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50:31

Lawfare Daily: Wikipedia, Ref-Working, and the Battle...

The Lawfare Podcast ·

2025/12/09

Wikipedia is more than an encyclopedia. It’s a key part of the internet’s information infrastructure—shaping what people know, what AI models learn, and what the public sees as true. But in an era of geopolitical conflict, AI disruption, and fracturing trust, Wikipedia has come under attack.In this episode, Renée DiResta talks with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about his new book, “The Seven Rules of Trust,” and about how Wikipedia has managed to remain one of the most trusted sites on the internet

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