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The Economics Show

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The Economics Show with Soumaya Keynes is a new weekly podcast from the Financial Times packed full of smart, digestible analysis and incisive conversation. Soumaya Keynes digs deep into the hottest topics in economics along with a cast of FT colleagues and special guests. Come for the big ideas, stay for the nerdery.Soumaya Keynes is an economics columnist for the Financial Times. Prior to joining the FT she worked at The Economist for eight years as a staff writer, where as well as covering trade,

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27:11

Can Europe afford to rearm itself? With Jeromin...

The Economics Show ·

2025/07/21

European countries have committed to higher defence spending to face down Russian aggression. But preparing for war isn’t cheap – and in many countries, budgets are already stretched. How will European members of Nato hit their defence targets, a hefty 5% of GDP? Will EU states look beyond their own national champions, and commit to greater co-operation on defence funding and purchases? And what kind of new institutions would be necessary to make that happen? To find out, Sam Fleming speaks to

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37:49

What Trump’s tariffs deadline has (not) achieved,...

The Economics Show ·

2025/07/11

July 9 marked the end of President Trump’s 90-day pause on his so-called reciprocal tariffs. Now that deadline has passed … what has actually changed? The FT’s senior trade writer Alan Beattie discusses with former trade negotiator Dmitry Grozoubinski, author of ‘Why Politicians Lie About Trade’. Dmitry explains why Trump’s tariff threats are as ineffective as they are unusual, how countries are approaching his ‘vibes-based’ trade policy, and what Dmitry would advise if he was negotiating with the

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43:35

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: your questions answered

The Economics Show ·

2025/07/09

In the sixth of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman tackle a selection of questions, and even some criticisms, sent in by their audience.Listen to Paul Krugman’s cultural coda, Carole King’s It's too late, hereListen to Martin Wolf’s cultural coda, Va Pensiero from Verdi’s Nabucco, hereSubscribe and listen to this series on The Economics Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever

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44:03

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: The future of the postwar...

The Economics Show ·

2025/07/02

In the fifth of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman discuss the way American politics is crashing against both the guardrails of a stable, democratic system and the rules and norms of the postwar economic order and how this could jeopardise the importance of the US on the world stage.Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda:Stephen Sondheim: "We had a good thing

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41:45

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: AI hype vs reality

The Economics Show ·

2025/06/24

In the fourth of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman ask if advances in artificial intelligence will reshape the working world as we know it. Or are we hearing an old familiar story that has been told many times before?Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda:Loretta Lynn - "Coal Miner's Daughter": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eHp7JJgq8&list=RDf9eHp7JJgq8&start_radio=1Martin Wolf’s Cultural

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43:15

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: The economy in an...

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2025/06/18

In the third of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman discuss the dangers facing the world economy and wonder what outcomes are possible at summits such as the G7 in times of political and economic risk.Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda:Peter Gabriel: “Games Without Frontiers”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZmlUV8muY&list=RD3xZmlUV8muY&start_radio=1Martin Wolf’s Cultural Coda:"The Second

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46:34

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: how the old economic order...

The Economics Show ·

2025/06/11

In the second of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman discuss the way economic trends have fractured societies on both sides of the Atlantic and the jeopardy that poses to liberal democracies in Europe and America.Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda: Let America Be America Again by Langston Hugheshttps://poets.org/poem/let-america-be-america-againMartin Wolf’s Cultural Coda: The Tariff Song by Dan

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43:42

The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: the crisis of trust

The Economics Show ·

2025/06/06

In part one of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman discuss how trust in the postwarworld economic system is being lost and weigh the costs and consequences of that.Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda: Quarterflash, ”Harden My Heart”-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFSED77-GMMartin Wolf’s Cultural Coda:The Beatles, “For No One”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELlLIwhvknkSubscribe and listen to this

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2:08

Coming soon: The Wolf-Krugman Exchange

The Economics Show ·

2025/06/04

In a special six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman discuss the economic events reshaping the world in the wake of US President Donald Trump’s election.Subscribe and listen to this series on The Economics Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Episodes will also be available on the FT’s YouTube channel.If you’d like to get in touch and ask Martin and Paul a

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25:38

How economics wins wars, with Duncan Weldon

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2025/06/02

Churchill never said “we will fight them in the spreadsheets…”. But maybe he should have done. The second world war, like every other war in human history, was decided by how each side allocated its resources. In this episode, Duncan Weldon, author of the new book ‘Blood and Treasure, The Economics of Conflict from the Vikings to Ukraine’, explains how countries have historically thought about the economics of war – and how the Ukraine war is changing that. He and host Soumaya Keynes also discuss

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30:28

What does China want from the US? With Jay Shambaugh

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2025/05/26

The tit-for-tat tariff escalations between the US and China are on pause, at least temporarily. But if the world’s two biggest economies don’t make progress by July, they could return with a vengeance. How can the two parties make progress? And what does China actually want from the US? Soumaya Keynes speaks to Jay Shambaugh to find out. Shambaugh was the US Treasury’s undersecretary for international affairs under Joe Biden. In other words, he was in charge of the US’s economic relationship with

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26:58

How should central banks respond to US tariffs?

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2025/05/19

US tariffs have sent financial markets into a frenzy in recent weeks, but how much should central bankers be taking trade into account when setting monetary policy? To find out, Soumaya Keynes sits down with Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee member Swati Dhingra – one of the committee’s more dovish members. They discuss why the UK’s open economy makes it more vulnerable to trade shocks, what Dhingra saw in the data that her MPC colleagues didn’t, and why she didn’t vote for an (even) sharper

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31:57

Bonus: Globalisation can be slowed, but not stopped

The Economics Show ·

2025/05/15

Donald Trump’s trade policies have put global markets through the mill in recent weeks. But his policies didn’t come from nowhere. Aspects of US protectionism preceded Trump’s second term – and countries across the world have been pushing for greater self-sufficiency for some time. Is this drive for greater self-sufficiency misguided? Is true self-sufficiency even possible? Or might the secret to economic security come from more co-operation, not less? The FT’s senior business writer Andrew Hill

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27:42

Bill Gates: how international development can survive...

The Economics Show ·

2025/05/12

Over the past 25 years, the Gates foundation has given away more than $100bn. Much of that money has gone to healthcare and education projects outside the US – and the organisation plans to give $200bn more to various programmes in the next twenty years. But as Elon Musk and Doge feed USAID, a key partner of the foundation, “into the wood chipper,” how can Bill Gates press ahead? The FT’s Africa editor, David Pilling, speaks to Gates about running an apolitical, philanthropic entity in a politically

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30:18

Martin Wolf talks to Kenneth Rogoff: Trump is...

The Economics Show ·

2025/05/05

The US dollar has been in slow decline for around a decade – so says Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard professor, and former chief economist of the IMF. Donald Trump’s trade policies have raised a lot of questions about the future of the dollar – and how its decline could affect the rest of the world’s currencies. Rogoff joins Martin Wolf to discuss how the decline of the dollar could empower China, capital flight from the US, and why cryptocurrency is a bigger threat to dollar hegemony than most people

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31:02

Should we be optimistic about the US economy? With...

The Economics Show ·

2025/04/28

Almost a month since ‘liberation day’, the potential impacts of President Donald Trump’s tariff regime are starting to sink in. US hard data isn’t yet showing much negative impact from changes to US trade policy – but economists are gloomy on US growth prospects. The IMF last week warned of an increased risk of US recession, and lopped nearly a full percentage point off its forecast for US growth this year. Michael Strain, director of economic policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise

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31:37

Martin Wolf talks to David Autor: could AI be a...

The Economics Show ·

2025/04/21

When China joined the World Trade Organization at the start of this century, its surging exports rattled US manufacturing. Prices fell, jobs became less lucrative, and communities that relied on these jobs were hit hard. PresidentDonaldTrump seems determined to bring those jobs back to the US. Is that realistic or even desirable? The FT’s chief economics commentator Martin Wolf speaks to MIT economics professor DavidAutor about the"China shock" andthe (potentially more significant) AIchallengethat

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30:35

Martin Wolf talks to Mervyn King: why central banks...

The Economics Show ·

2025/04/13

Former Bank of England governor Sir Mervyn King has never shied away from expressing his opinion. Here, he sits down with his friend Martin Wolf — the FT’s chief economics commentator — to discuss some of the thorniest problems central banks now face: Will rate-setters manage to stay independent in the era of Trump 2.0? What should they do about cryptocurrencies? And how can they regain credibility after getting inflation so wrong?Martin Wolf is chief economics commentator at the Financial Times

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31:33

Are US tariffs just the beginning? With Abraham Newman

The Economics Show ·

2025/04/07

As Donald Trump declaresa tradewar on the rest of the world, it’s time to learn about a field of economic research known as “weaponised interdependence”. The bad news is that theUS president’sweapon of choice – imposing tariffs on goods imports – is a fairly outdated tool of economic warfare. Globalisation and advances in financial and communications technology have created an arsenal of additional weapons, which may yet be fired off by the US or by other big playerssuch as China and the EU. To find

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32:15

Can Germany escape its economic doldrums? With Ulrike...

The Economics Show ·

2025/03/31

For the past few years, Germany has begun to look like the ‘sick man of Europe’ again. Its economy has barely grown since 2019, while its famous manufacturing sector has shrivelled. But earlier this month, financial markets were buoyed by a vote in the German parliament to relax the constitutional limit on government borrowing, the so-called debt brake. It means that Germany’s likely new conservative-led coalition government will be free to borrow unlimited amounts to fund a defence sector build-up,

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