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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales

Kevin Lawson and Sean O"Shaughnessey

"Two Tall Guys Talking Sales," where Sean O"Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson discuss a single sales topic. Kevin and Sean together have about 60 years of experience in professional selling. This podcast helps people in sales, sales leadership, and business leadership or company owners realize the maximum value of their company by improving their revenue generation capability. This podcast is designed to help those people enhance their companies" sales management practices, methodologies, processes,

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17:30

Building a Sales Powerhouse—The 3 Most Underrated...

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2025/06/24

Sales isn’t about persuasion but service, resilience, and growth. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, co-hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome sales leader and former professional athlete Jeff Parris to explore the fundamental skills that separate elite salespeople from the rest. Drawing on decades of experience, Jeff shares three often-overlooked yet foundational competencies that drive sales success, and they’re not what you’d expect. Whether you're a VP of Sales building

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19:46

Chris Spanier Explains Marketing Professional...

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2025/06/17

When marketing professional services, the playbook isn’t the same as product sales, and today’s episode dives into exactly why. Sean O’Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson are joined by returning guest Chris Spanier, CEO of Carpe Diem Consulting Group and host of the Practical Actionable Marketing podcast. This conversation tackles the nuances of sales strategies for service-based businesses, blending value selling with measurable marketing and aligning both functions for stronger revenue generation. If

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08:09

Elevate Your Sales Game with B2B Sales Lab: A New...

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2025/06/10

When sales professionals hit a roadblock, where do they turn? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey unveil an exciting new initiative: B2B Sales Lab, a private peer networking community designed to support salespeople, sales managers, and business owners in their journey toward revenue generation excellence. This isn’t just a conversation; rather, we are offering an invitation to join something powerful. If you've ever felt alone in a tough sales

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16:08

John McLeod Explains How to Avoid the AI Trap: Using...

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2025/06/03

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey are joined by veteran fractional VP of Sales, John McLeod. Together, they dive into a critical topic for today’s sales leaders: embracing artificial intelligence tools without compromising your value proposition, messaging, or sales processes. John brings deep expertise in sales management, business acumen, and revenue generation strategies, offering a measured approach to evaluating sales tech, especially AI

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15:38

Patrick O'Donnell Explains How to Hire and Onboard...

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2025/05/27

In this high-impact episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey welcome sales acceleration expert Patrick O'Donnell to tackle one of the toughest challenges facing small business CEOs: hiring and onboarding top-performing sales talent. Together, they dive deep into proven sales strategies that help CEOs find strong candidates and keep them engaged, successful, and driving revenue. If you’ve ever hired a salesperson who didn’t work out, or you’re planning to

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17:09

Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales...

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2025/05/20

In this week’s episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey are joined by the “Elder Statesman” of fractional sales management: John Lee. With nearly four decades of experience and a deep track record of helping companies hire top-performing sales professionals, John shares a masterclass in sales hiring strategy. Whether you’re scaling from a two-person team to ten or trying to avoid costly hiring mistakes, this episode delivers practical, field-tested advice on

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17:12

Steve Caton Shares When to Sell, When to Coach, and...

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2025/05/13

In this powerful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey are joined once again by Steve Caton, CEO of Altezza Solutions, for a thought-provoking conversation that zeroes in on one of the toughest decisions in sales leadership: when to sell, when to coach, and when to hire. Whether you’re a business owner, VP of Sales, or a player-coach juggling a quota and a team, this episode brings clarity to the strategic inflection point where growth hinges on letting go

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17:09

Scaling Smarter: Building Sales Teams with Steve Caton

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2025/05/06

What does it take to scale a sales organization in today’s unpredictable business environment? In this dynamic episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Sean O'Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson welcome back Steve Caton, CEO of Altezza Solutions, to unpack the nuances of scaling sales teams, especially through the power of fractional sales professionals. Together, they explore the critical role that sales processes, sales management, and business acumen play in enabling organizations to grow without

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17:33

Winning Without Discounting: Mastering Value Selling...

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2025/04/29

When it comes to holding firm on pricing, many salespeople stumble at the finish line, undermining their value and margin in pursuit of a quick win. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey explore the essential topic of value selling, especially when offering a premium-priced solution. They break down how business acumen, sales strategy, and relationship-based selling contribute to sales success—and how to confidently command the price your product

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17:34

The Four Buckets of Sales Growth with Steve Wittal

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2025/04/22

In this dynamic episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey welcome Canadian SalesXceleration expert Steve Wittal for an in-depth look into the foundations of effective sales strategies. Steve brings decades of experience in startup advisory, sales management, and business growth, sharing a robust framework that simplifies complex growth challenges into four digestible buckets: desirability, clarity, predictability, and deliverability. If you’re a business

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16:04

John Spencer Explains Scaling Sales Teams- Turning...

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2025/04/15

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with John Spencer, a seasoned sales leader and founder of Clear Direction Sales Development. Together, they explore the crucial differences between growth and scale, particularly in organizations leaning too heavily on a superstar seller. If you're leading a sales organization that relies on one standout performer—or trying to replicate success across your sales team—this is a must-listen conversation

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15:55

Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader's Guide to Growth...

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2025/04/08

As Q2 kicks into full gear, it's time to pause and reflect—are you ahead, on pace, or falling behind on your sales targets? In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey unpack one of a sales leader's most crucial yet often overlooked responsibilities: knowing your numbers. With equal parts practical advice and strategic vision, this conversation walks you through the foundational metrics every sales leader should track—customer acquisition

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18:16

Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How...

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2025/04/01

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome business intermediary Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway. Tom brings decades of experience in buying, selling, and valuing businesses across the Midwest. The conversation dives deep into what truly drives the value of a company—and how sales leaders and business owners alike can prepare their organizations for a future transition. Whether you’re a business owner considering a sale or a sales

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17:30

Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That...

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2025/03/25

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this episode, the tall guys dive deep into one of the most critical yet commonly broken elements in any sales organization: the sales funnel. Whether you're stuck with a clunky three-stage process that tells you nothing or overwhelmed with 35 micro-stages that only confuse your reps, Sean and Kevin offer a practical guide to rethinking and rebuilding your pipeline strategy. Packed with metaphors (yes,

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16:47

Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and...

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2025/03/18

As the first quarter comes to a close, sales leaders and professionals must assess their performance and gear up for the challenges and opportunities ahead in Q2. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the essential strategies for both those ahead of plan and those struggling to catch up. From refining your sales process to maximizing customer relationships, this discussion is packed with insights that can help you dominate your numbers in the

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17:51

From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your...

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2025/03/11

As a sales leader, are you coaching your team for the long haul, or are you scrambling in the final weeks of the quarter? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the difference between regular season and postseason play—whether in sports or sales. They explore why last-minute Hail Mary strategies can be damaging, how to manage time, and the importance of consistent coaching effectively. With March Madness and The Masters as the backdrop, this

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17:42

Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or...

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2025/03/04

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art of sales prospecting using an unusual but powerful analogy—chasing butterflies versus building a garden. Are you tirelessly running after leads, or are you cultivating an environment where ideal prospects naturally come to you? Learn how to create a long-term strategy for consistent revenue growth by positioning your business as the go-to solution for your ideal customers. Key Topics Discussed:

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15:22

Measuring Marketing Success with Amy Connor of CMO...

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2025/02/25

Welcome back to another episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey! This week, we’re diving deep into the essential topic of measuring marketing effectiveness with special guest Amy Connor, founder of CMO OnLoan. This episode is for you if you’ve ever struggled to connect marketing strategies to real business results. Grab your marketing colleague and tune in—because understanding what’s working (and what’s not) in your marketing is the key to driving sales

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17:15

Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation:...

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2025/02/18

How do you measure the success of your sales and marketing efforts? If you’ve ever found yourself wondering whether your marketing dollars are actually driving revenue or if your sales team is making the most of their leads, this episode is for you. Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Amy Connor, founder of CMO on Loan, to discuss how marketing and sales should work together for growth. Amy brings her extensive experience from Procter & Gamble, Luxottica, and other top brands to help

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17:33

AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You...

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2025/02/11

Artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming the sales industry, but does that mean salespeople are becoming obsolete? Absolutely not! In this high-energy episode, Kevin and Sean debunk the myth that AI will replace sales professionals. Instead, they reveal how AI can be a game-changing tool for sales success. From using AI to refine communication to automating time-consuming tasks, this episode is packed with insights on how AI can help sales leaders and reps work smarter, sell better, and stay

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