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Let’s Run That Again

None of us run ultras because we want the “easy button,” but at the same time we sometimes face them with unrealistic expectations. Heidi Baker and Michelle Goldberg are both experienced ultrarunners and UESCA Certified ultrarunning coaches who want to help you unpack and understand the race that didn’t go quite as planned, and show you how they are opportunities for growth, learning and resilience building. Bringing in guests of all running and experience levels, we want to encourage you to embrace

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Episode 37: Jack Pitcher: Manipulating Struggles into...

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2025/04/17

In this episode, Heidi and Michelle welcome Jack Pitcher, the fastest Briton to run across Australia. Jack shares his journey from a young, competitive runner to breaking records in ultra marathons. The conversation delves into the mental aspects of running, the importance of consistency, and the barriers that new runners face. They also discuss the influence of social media and the responsibility that comes with being a running influencer. Jack discusses the importance of authentic running

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Episode 36: Josh Rosenthal of Borderlands

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2025/04/04

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle chat with Josh Rosenthal of Borderlands and delve into the world of ultra running, focusing on the topic of Did Not Finish (DNF) experiences. Josh shares his personal journey with DNFs, emphasizing the importance of mindset, community support, and the lessons learned from each attempt. They discuss the significance of language in shaping one's approach to races and the emotional and mental challenges faced by ultra runners.Josh has his own podcast, and

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Episode 35: Maude Gorman: Healing, Forgiveness, and...

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2025/03/27

In this conversation, Maude Gorman shares her transformative journey through athletics, overcoming personal struggles with eating disorders, and the impact of relationships on her athletic pursuits. She discusses her recovery, the challenges she faced, and how she rebuilt her life and found purpose in running. Maude emphasizes the importance of community support, perspective in endurance sports, and the milestones she achieved, culminating in her first 100-mile race. Her story is one of resilience,

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Episode 34: Steph Cloutier on Balance and Joy in...

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2025/03/21

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle interview Steph Cloutier, an ultra runner who shares her journey from casual running to participating in ultra marathons. Steph discusses her first experiences with ultra running, the challenges she faced during her first 100-mile race, and the mental strength required to overcome obstacles. She reflects on her return to the Javelina race, emphasizing the importance of preparation and support from the running community. The discussion also touches on the

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Episode 33: LRTA x That's Runnable Crossover with...

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2025/03/13

This is a special podcast crossover episode! Also airing on the podcast That's Runnable with Tommy Lewis, we dive in and chat with Tommy about all things running! We share our personal experiences with training, the challenges of specific races like Cocodona 250 and Devil's Gulch, and the philosophy of maintaining fitness for adventure beyond just running. We also delve into the nuances of ultra running, comparing local races to major events, and discussing the differences between European and

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Episode 32: Katie Warren: "It's all about connection."

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2025/03/06

n this episode, Heidi and Michelle welcome Katie Warren, an avalanche forecaster and race director for Evergreen Trails. They discuss Katie's unique career path, her passion for running, and the challenges of balancing her job with training for ultra marathons. Katie shares insights into her experiences as a race director, the importance of community in racing, and her upcoming participation in the Hood Hundred. She emphasizes the significance of connection—both with oneself and the

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Episode 31: Jason Bahamundi: Everyone Belongs At the...

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2025/03/02

Due to some technical issues we had to work through, there may be a few spots of pausing or overlapping voices in this episode, and for that we apologize!In this episode we welcome guest Jason Bahamundi of RunTriBike and we explore the world of endurance sports, emphasizing the importance of community, vulnerability, and humor. We discuss how everyday athletes can find their place in the sport, the significance of having a strong 'why' to motivate training, and the life lessons that can be drawn

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Episode 30: Manika Gamble: Embracing the Journey and...

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2025/02/24

*Due to some technical issues, there may be some minor sound overlap during the episode In this conversation, ultra runner Manika Gamble shares her incredible journey through unique and challenging races around the world, including her experiences in the Namibia Desert and the Arrowhead 135. The discussion delves into the mental and physical challenges of ultra running, the allure of extreme conditions, and the personal growth that comes from pushing one's limits. Manika reflects on her

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Episode 29: Avery Matthews: Overcoming Tremendous...

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2025/02/15

In this conversation, Avery Matthews shares her inspiring journey into ultra running, discussing her training strategies, experiences with significant races like the Grindstone 100, and the challenges she faced, including a DNF and gallbladder surgery. She emphasizes the importance of mindset, nutrition, and the journey of ultra running, culminating in her participation in the Grand Slam of Ultra Running. In this conversation, Avery discusses the mental and physical challenges she faced during

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Episode 28: Dark Anchor Recap

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2025/02/06

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle reflect on their experiences at the Dark Anchor ultra race (where Heidi hit her first 100 miler and Michelle accomplished 119 miles!), discussing their personal achievements, recovery processes, unexpected challenges faced during the race, and the emotional roller coaster that comes with ultra running. They share insights on the physical and mental aspects of recovery, the importance of support from friends, and the lessons learned from their experiences

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Episode 27: Craig Lewis: Highlighting the Everyday...

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2025/01/31

In this conversation, Craig Lewis shares his journey as an everyday athlete and podcaster, emphasizing the importance of storytelling in the running community. He discusses the transition from casual running to ultra running, the challenges faced due to health issues, and the invaluable lessons learned from various races. The conversation highlights the power of community, collaboration, and the significance of nutrition in endurance sports. They discuss the profound impact of running on mental

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Episode 26: Ryan Head: The Process is More...

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2025/01/23

In this episode, ultra runner and coach Ryan Head shares his journey into the world of ultra running, discussing his recent accomplishments, the beauty of Utah, and the importance of community in the running world. He reflects on the challenges faced during his first 100-mile race and the lessons learned along the way, emphasizing the mental aspects of ultra running and the supportive nature of the ultra running community. They discuss the challenges faced during races, including weather conditions

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Episode 25: Sarah Strong: The Trail Therapist

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2025/01/16

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle engage with Sarah Strong, a licensed clinical social worker and ultra runner, to explore the mental and emotional challenges faced by ultra runners, particularly in the context of DNFs. They discuss the emotional landscape of racing, and the importance of self-compassion and values in running. Sarah shares insights on how to navigate the grief and disappointment that can accompany a DNF, as well as practical strategies for managing race anxiety and fostering

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Episode 24: Amanda Rasmussen: Life Lessons from DNFs...

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2025/01/09

In this episode, Heidi and Michelle sit down with Amanda Rasmussen, an ultra runner and mother, to discuss her journey in the world of ultra running. Amanda shares her experiences, including her weight loss journey, the challenges she faced during races, and the emotional aspects of running. The conversation delves into the differences between 100-mile and 200-mile races, the importance of running with a partner, and the life lessons learned through ultra running. Amanda emphasizes the significance

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Episode 23: New Year Reflections

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2025/01/02

In this episode, Michelle and Heidi reflect on the year 2024, what we've learned and taken away from what we are doing here in this podcast space, and our hopes for 2025. We also take a few questions from our followers, and look forward into the new year with some new intentions.

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Episode 22: Andy Glaze: "Smile or you're doing it...

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2024/12/27

Andy Glaze is well known in the ultrarunnning world, especially on social media. Andy talks with us about mindset- and how his has evolved over the years of being in the sport, and how he mentally handles tough decisions and DNFs. Andy also talks with us about his work/life balance, and his own personal struggles with mental health and why he speaks up about it so often. As we say in the episode, here are some mental health free resources: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: Dial: 988 Website:

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Episode 21: Kenneth Pinkney: "Love it, hate it,...

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2024/12/20

Kenneth Pinckney is the founder of Live Run Boundless and the author of "The Hills We Climb". Kenneth talks with us about his journey into running and ultrarunning and how his past experiences have brought him on this journey. To him- it is all about the relationships in this running world, and creating a community of people who regardless of past experiences are out there challenging themselves and embracing the blessings they find along the way.Check out his website and

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Episode 20: Aum Gandhi: "I Have So Much to Learn and...

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2024/12/12

Aum Gandhi tells us his superpower would be to make everyone feel special- and that is exactly what he is doing with Run Tri Bike as a co-owner who is helping spread the word and sharing stories of everyday athletes and inspiring people. He talks with us about his recent DNF at Moab 240, how he approaches DNFs and growth in the sport. Aum gives insight into constantly learning through mistakes and failures, and gives us a peak into his future goals.Find Aum on

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Episode 19: Charlotte Corriher and Stepping Outside...

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2024/12/05

You may know her as Marathon Costume Chic, and even if you don't follow her you have likely seen Charlotte Corriher at a race- she has completed almost 300 marathon or greater distance races, and over 100 ultramarathons. The best part is she does each one in costume! While no one would look at her Ultrasignup profile and think she takes the easy route at ALL, Charlotte struggles with a fear of DNFs and tends to sign up for races she knows she can finish. We talk about this and about her goals to

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Episode 18: Joe Hardin: DNFs do not define us.

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2024/11/28

Joe Hardin is an ultrarunner, podcast host, writer for RunTriBike, and he comes on to talk about his DNF at his recent 100 mile attempt. He went into the race with a lot stacked up against him and still gave an incredible effort. He gives us insight into how he processed it, and his plans moving forward! Listen in for a really relatable and great outlook on how DNFs do not define us but create lessons for us to take moving forward.Find Joe on

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