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Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins

Every week, Heatmap News Executive Editor Robinson Meyer and Princeton University Professor and energy systems expert Jesse Jenkins make sense of the biggest shift of our time -- navigating the energy transition away from fossil fuels. Drawing on their years of experience reporting on and researching climate change and decarbonization, Meyer and Jenkins unpack the most important issues of the week and how the impacts of climate change and efforts to address it are transforming our economy, politics,

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45:54

How Trump Has All But Halted Offshore Wind

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/03/12

Donald Trump’s second term has now entered its second month. His administration is doing much to slow down renewables, and everything it can to slow down offshore wind. Jael Holzman is a senior reporter at Heatmap and the author of our newsletter, “The Fight,” about local battles over renewable permitting around the country.On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Rob and Jesse talk to Jael about the bleak outlook for offshore wind, the use of presidential authority to impede energy development, and why

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47:46

Why Solar Might Be Better Off Than You Think

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/03/05

Longtime listeners of Shift Key will recognize the name Intersolar and Energy Storage North America, one of the country’s premier solar industry conferences. Shift Key was live at this year’s event, hosting a panel on the present and future of the solar industry featuring a pair of marquee panelists: Tom Starrs, currently the vice president for government and public affairs at EDP Renewables, North America, who has more than 30 years of experience in the renewables industry; and Maria Robinson,

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42:55

The Early Lessons of Trump’s ‘Energy Dominance’

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/02/26

Congress is still debating the fate of the Inflation Reduction Act, but the Trump administration has already torn up energy and climate policies across the federal government. It’s time to step back and try to take stock. How much damage has the Trump administration already done to decarbonization? What’s most worrying? What was going to happen anyway? And what might still be saved?On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Rob and Jesse go agency by agency to understand the most important changes and try

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1:08:55

How to Talk to Your Friendly Neighborhood Public...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/02/19

The most important energy regulators in the United States aren’t all in the federal government. Each state has its own public utility commission, a set of elected or appointed officials who regulate local power companies. This set of 200 individuals wield an enormous amount of power — they oversee 1% of U.S. GDP — but they’re often outmatched by local utility lobbyists and overlooked in discussions from climate advocates.Charles Hua wants to change that. He is the founder and executive director of

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1:02:37

What Senator Brian Schatz Wants Climate Advocates to...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/02/12

The first few weeks of the new Trump administration have seen an onslaught of anti-climate actions: an order punishing the wind industry, an attempted reversal of the Environmental Protection Administration’s climate authority, and a brazen — and possibly unconstitutional — attempt to freeze all spending under Biden’s climate laws. Democrats’ climate legacy seems to be under assault. How will they respond?Senator Brian Schatz has represented Hawaii in the U.S. Senate since 2010. He is the chief

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49:45

The Trump Policy That Would Be Really Bad for Oil...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/01/29

On February 1 — that is, three days from now — President Donald Trump has promised to apply a tariff of 25% to all U.S. imports from Canada and Mexico, crude oil very much not excepted. Canada has been the largest source of American crude imports for more than 20 years. More than that, the U.S. oil industry has come to depend on Canada’s thick, sulfurous oil to blend with America’s light, sweet domestic product to suit its highly specialized refineries. If that heavy, gunky stuff suddenly becomes a

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1:11:52

How Wildfires Destroyed California’s Insurance Market

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/01/22

The Los Angeles wildfires have killed at least 27 people, destroyed more than 17,000 structures, and displaced tens of thousands. In the next few months, the billions of costs in damage to homes and property will ripple through the state’s insurance market — and likely cause its insurer of last resort to run out of money.Benjamin Keys has studied how natural disasters, rising sea levels, and increasing exposure to risk have driven up insurance costs nationwide. He is a professor of real estate and

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58:04

Answering Your Questions on AI and Energy, the...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2025/01/01

Happy new year! On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Rob and Jesse answer some of the questions they’ve received from readers throughout the year. Hot topics include: What happened to the Green New Deal, and is the Inflation Reduction Act part of its legacy? Should U.S. policy prioritize solar manufacturing or solar deployment? And how can normal people keep AI-driven data centers from blowing up the grid?Shift Key is hosted by Robinson Meyer, the founding executive editor of Heatmap, and Jesse

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51:10

Shift Key Classic: How China Created an EV Juggernaut

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/12/11

The Chinese electric automaker BYD is entering a new stage in its history. Last month, it sold more than half a million electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids. BYD has already shipped more cars this year than Ford and Honda, and it is fast coming for Volkswagen, GM, and Toyota’s crowns as the world’s three largest automakers.Earlier this year, Rob and Jesse spoke with Ilaria Mazzocco, a senior fellow with the Trustee Chair in Chinese Business and Economics at the Center for Strategic and

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1:05:51

How Trump Could Dent EVs in America

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/11/27

It’s been a news-filled few weeks — so it’s time for a roundup. On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Rob and Jesse talk about what Trump’s cabinet selections might mean for his climate policy and whether permitting reform could still happen. Then Rob chats with Corey Cantor, senior EV analyst at BloombergNEF, about promising Q3 sales for U.S. automakers, General Motors’ turnaround, and how much the Trump administration might dent America’s EV uptake.Shift Key is hosted by Robinson Meyer, the

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59:10

The World Will Miss 1.5C. What Comes Next?

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/11/20

Here’s the bad news: The world is almost certainly going to miss the Paris Agreement’s goal of keeping global temperatures from rising beyond 1.5 degrees Celsius over pre-industrial levels. The needed emissions cuts are too large and the direction of policy too slow to lead to any other outcome. In the next few decades, global warming will slip past the 1.5 degree mark — and temperatures will keep rising.What does that mean? What comes next? And how should we feel about that? On this week’s episode

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1:04:51

Trump, China, and Climate Change: What Happens Next?

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/11/13

The rollbacks are coming. Donald Trump’s incoming administration is expected to pull the United States out of the Paris Agreement, weaken the Environmental Protection Agency’s rules for power plants and tailpipe pollution, and — potentially — rewrite or repeal big swaths of the Inflation Reduction Act. Each of those actions would seem to provide an opening for the world’s No. 1 polluter — China— to assert global leadership and zip ahead in the next generation of clean energy technology.How will it

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45:53

The Inflation Reduction Act Is About to Be Tested

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/11/06

Last night, Donald Trump secured a second term in the White House. He campaigned on an aggressively pro-fossil -fuel agenda, promising to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, Biden’s landmark 2022 climate law, and roll back Environmental Protection Agency rules governing power plant and car and truck pollution.On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob pick through the results of the election and try to figure out where climate advocates go from here. What will Trump 2.0 mean for the federal

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1:02:06

Are Democrats the Party of Nuclear Now?

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/10/23

Over the past two months, the country’s biggest tech companies have announced a flurry of deals with advanced and conventional nuclear companies. At the same time, Democratic candidates running for federal office — including Kamala Harris and a handful of Senate candidates — have touted their support of building new nuclear power plants. Has nuclear’s moment finally arrived?On this week’s episode of Shift Key, we have Josh Freed, the senior vice president of Third Way’s climate and energy program,

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1:01:06

Talking Permitting Reform, Trade, and More With...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/10/16

What’s next for the Biden administration — and for climate policy in the United States? Should Democrats negotiate with Republicans over permitting reform, even if it means making concessions to fossil fuel interests? And how should the country’s trade policy handle the problem of carbon pollution?On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Rob speaks with Ali Zaidi, the national climate advisor to President Joe Biden. Zaidi leads the White House Climate Policy Office, which coordinates domestic climate

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1:05:58

Want to Decarbonize Your Life? Here’s How.

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/10/09

How can you fight climate change in your daily life? Last month, Heatmap published our attempt at answering that question: Called Decarbonize Your Life, it’s a series of stories and guides to help you make decisions that nudge the energy system away from fossil fuels. We consulted studies, ran our own analysis (with help from some friends), and used our expert judgment to arrive at six big, high-leverage actions you can take to fight climate change.On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob

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1:11:34

The Hardest Working $27 Billion in the IRA

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/09/25

It’s potentially one of the most important — but least understood — provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act, and it’s finally out in the world. Last month, the Environmental Protection Agency spent $27 billion to set up new green banks across the country.These new lending institutions could direct billions of dollars to supercharging decarbonization, financing new solar farms, geothermal projects, EV chargers, and more. They’ll also recycle their funding indefinitely, meaning they will likely last

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53:24

What 2024 Will Mean for Clean Energy — in Megatons

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/09/04

You don’t need us to say it: The 2024 election will have enormous stakes for America’s climate policy and the planet’s climate. But how well can we quantify those stakes? What would a Trump presidency — or a Harris presidency, for that matter — really mean for the country’s emissions trajectory?On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob speak with Sonia Aggarwal, the chief executive officer of Energy Innovation, a climate policy think tank that operates across North America, Europe, and

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1:03:58

How 2025 Could Reshape Climate Policy — No Matter Who...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/08/28

It’s time to start talking about a big year for climate politics and policy: 2025. No matter who wins this fall’s elections, next year’s executive and legislative climate policy will be huge for America’s decarbonization strategy. Congress is all but guaranteed to negotiate over key parts of the country’s tax code, and whoever controls the White House will have to finalize the Inflation Reduction Act’s last few big programs.On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob are joined by Josh Freed,

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44:08

Humanity’s Most Abundant Material Is a Huge Climate...

Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins ·

2024/07/24

The world uses about 30 billion tons of concrete every year — more than any other material except water. It is the most ubiquitous human-made substance in the global economy. It’s also a huge climate problem. Producing cement, which is the key ingredient in concrete, generates roughly 8% of global annual greenhouse gas emissions.Cody Finke has a plan to change that. He is the chief executive officer and cofounder of Brimstone, a startup that says it can cheaply produce ordinary Portland cement — the

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