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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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10:19

BDC Reporter's Marshi is 'quite optimistic,' even if...

The NAVigator ·

2022/05/27

Nicholas Marshi, editor of the BDC Reporter, says that business-development companies had a good first-quarter across the board, despite troubles across the broad market. After seven quarters of BDC's generally increasing net asset value per share, and while that growth decelerated during the first three months of 2022, Marshi says it was a "hinge quarter," where inflation, higher interest rates and more started to creep into results. He notes that business-development companies are poised to

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10:44

Blue Bay's Farley: Investors 'aren't buying the dips,...

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2022/05/20

Duncan Farley, portfolio manager for BlueBay Asset Management and co-manager of the Destra International Event Driven Credit Fund, says that today's headlines are driving more companies to distraction and creating the types of problems that he sees as investment opportunities. His fund has taken advantage, posting double-digit gains while most of the market has moved in the opposite direction, and he believes that investors willing to buy discounted credits will be rewarded if they can ride through

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11:20

Is liquidity 'a feature or a benefit' of closed-end...

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2022/05/13

Bill Kelly, president of the CAIA Association, discusses the importance -- which he believes is mostly misplaced -- that many investors place on having daily liquidity in their investments, even though they have no intention of touching the money in the short term. The result of these mis-aligned time frames is that investors pay a real price for liquidity they neither want and need; the offshoot of this thinking is helping to drive the expansion of new issues for closed-end and interval funds,

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11:15

The search for funds in today's 'painful, ugly...

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2022/05/06

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, talks about the search for closed-end funds that can deliver in rising-rate, high-inflation conditions, talks about five issues from different categories that pass muster now, and explains how in today's business-development company space, "Sometimes discounts are expensive and premiums are cheap."

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09:54

Low-return environment calls for savvy allocations,...

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2022/04/29

Nathan Shetty, head of multi-asset for Nuveen and co-manager of the Nuveen Multi-Asset Income Fund, discusses the importance of using proper allocations to generate reasonable and consistent total returns in a low-return environment. Shetty notes that proper diversification and risk management are particularly important in times like today, with so many wild cards, headline risks and uncertainties.

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11:37

Taggart: Closed-end funds struggled and discounts...

The NAVigator ·

2022/04/22

Mike Taggart of Taggart Fund Intelligence -- executive director of the Active Investment Company Alliance -- reviews the first-quarter results for closed-end funds, noting that discounts widened out during a rough period for the market, reaching a crossroads where investors are trying to decide now if the discount has hit a level low enough to represent a good risk premium and a buying opportunity. Taggart also discusses interval funds, the focus of an upcoming AICA educational event, and how the

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10:20

For private-equity success, commit to riding 'the...

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2022/04/15

Bob Long, chief executive officer at Conversus -- which manages the Conversus StepStone Private Markets Fund -- returns to the NAVigator to discuss private equity and how investors looking for success must commit to overcoming the J-curve, the start-up period when private-equity investments tend to lose money in the early days in order to be positioned for long-run success. Individual investors wanting to avoid the pain of those start-ups through diversification are increasingly turning to interval

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11:08

Steven Bavaria on how the 'Income Factory strategy'...

The NAVigator ·

2022/04/08

Steven Bavaria, author of “Inside the Income Factory” on SeekingAlpha.com, says that current market conditions have shown the value of focusing on income streams rather than the value of the underlying securities, allowing investors the peace of mind that comes from generating cash-flow and putting that money back to work buying at a discount. Bavaria noted that when a manufacturing company builds a production plant, they don't worry about the resale value of the factory but instead focus on its

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11:19

Private equity fund lets ordinary investors go after...

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2022/04/01

Michael Bell, founder of Primark Capital -- which runs the Primark Private Equity Investments Fund, a closed-end interval fund -- discusses how changing market conditions have reduced the number of public companies and dramatically increased the number of available private equity investments, which he says are best handled in the limited-liquidity structure of an interval fund. It creates an opportunity to buy brand-name middle-market companies that investors can't access in traditional funds.

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11:06

How to size up BDCs to determine the standout buys

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2022/03/25

Mitchel Penn, managing director of equity research for Oppenheimer and Co., talks about the challenges of analyzing and evaluating business-development companies, and then highlights Runway Growth Finance Corp. -- which his firm expects to outperform the market and competition -- to show the methodology in action and to showcase the place BDCs should occupy in diversified investment portfolios.

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17:57

Matisse’s Boughton: International, emerging-markets...

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2022/03/23

Eric Boughton, chief analyst at Matisse Capital and portfolio manager for the Matisse Discounted Closed-End Fund Strategy, says that the war in Ukraine has been creating deep discounts and bigger buying opportunities for closed-end fund investors, noting that emerging markets and international stocks went into the conflict already at low levels, which now means investors are getting ‘a discount on a discount.’ He notes that international equity closed-end funds now are trading at a median discount

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10:33

How current events are impacting the capital markets

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2022/03/18

Seth Brufsky, chief executive officer for the Ares Dynamic Credit Allocation Fund, says that conditions since the end of the year have changed from concerns over what the Federal Reserve would do, 'changing the calculus' for how people should and will invest. Brufsky says the focus entering the year was on floating-rate investments, but now that there are lingering concerns about inflation and higher rates that -- along with geopolitical concerns -- are forcing investors to re-evaluate priorities

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10:14

Your questions answered with Mike Taggart, AICA...

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2022/03/11

Mike Taggart of Taggart Fund Intelligence, the executive director of the Active Investment Company Alliance, returns to The NAVigator following up on his recent discussion of buying assets rather than discounts by answering some questions from the audience about the persistence of discounts and where discounts fit into the picture once you have purchased a fund.

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10:59

AICA's Scott: Closed-end fund 2.0 is off to a strong...

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2022/03/04

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that 20 investment firms have launched 30 new funds under the 'Closed-End Fund 2.0' format since 2019, and the results and opportunities are promising. While the new funds show an average discount over 7 percent, the new structure returns the funds to net asset value after 12 years, which means that some of these funds are long-term bargains right now; he names four

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09:14

Taggart: As unrest widens discounts, buy the asset...

The NAVigator ·

2022/02/25

Mike Taggart, founder of Taggart Fund Intelligence and executive director of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that the stock market's rough January along with the war between Russia and the Ukraine have put the market in a tizzy and widened discounts for closed-end funds by over 1 percent on average this year, but he notes that while discounts have become attractive, they don't make for automatic buying opportunities. Some closed-end funds, Taggart says, will stay at deep discounts and

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11:51

BDCs and middle-market credit can solve rising-rate...

The NAVigator ·

2022/02/18

Chris Oberbeck, chairman and chief executive officer at Saratoga Investment Corp., says that the structure of business-development companies -- which allows assets to increase in value when interest rates rise, while keeping liabilities fixed, thereby raising spreads -- makes them particularly attractive to investors looking for better real yields in a rising-rate environment. Oberbeck explains, generally, how BDCs will be able to weather the first rate increase, whenever it happens, with much less

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18:21

Bonus episode: Rate and inflation picture are...

The NAVigator ·

2022/02/14

Maury Fertig, chief investment officer at Relative Value Partners, discusses the factors he considers when picking closed-end funds to add to client portfolios, and how those criteria have been impacted by headlines about rising rates and inflation, along with the stock market's heightened volatility and January losses. Fertig says that current conditions have changed some of his focus, moving him away from floating-rate funds -- which were trading at a significant discount a year ago, but which are

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10:50

What to expect from closed-end funds in a rising-rate...

The NAVigator ·

2022/02/11

Mike Taggart, founder and chief executive officer at Taggart Fund Intelligence -- the recently appointed executive director of the Active Investment Company Alliance -- talks about his research into how closed-end funds have performed in rising-rate cycles, and also looks at how senior-loan funds perform, noting that the closed-end fund structure can make it harder for senior loans to live up to their narrative as being a plus asset when rates are going up.

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11:21

In the closed-end discount cycle, now is the time to...

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2022/02/04

Rob Shaker, portfolio manager at Shaker Financial, says that the market's recent struggles have re-started a cycle and repetitive pattern that closed-end fund investors should recognize and take advantage of. It starts when excessive selling pressures -- which the market experienced in January -- results in 'excessive selling' that widens discounts; once those selling pressures ease, the market rebalances and restores equilibrium, and investors take advantage of the bigger discounts to snap up

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13:04

Blue Bay's Farley: Lots of market events, limited...

The NAVigator ·

2022/01/28

Duncan Farley, portfolio manager at BlueBay Asset Management -- manager of the BlueBay Destra International Event-Driven Credit Fund -- says that the many headline events affecting the market aren't all buying opportunities. The best opportunities in event-driven investing come from good companies with bad balance sheets or difficult circumstances, where the interval fund structure allows management to ride them back to good health, generating above-market returns in the process.

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