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The TEC Talk Podcast: Presented by Natural Encounters, Inc.

Natural Encounters, Inc.

Join co-hosts Chris and Ari for a discussion of animal training, behavior, human-animal relationships, and all things NEI-TEC (the Natural Encounters Inc Training and Education Center), and featuring guests from the NEI team and around the professional animal care world! Email us at podcast@naturalencounters.com if you have a question or something you"d like us to discuss on the show!

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01:18:43

Episode 83: Live from The Training Game!

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2021/11/11

Workshop NIGHT! Live from our first in-person workshop in two years, it's the TEC Talk Podcast! With Chris out of town, Ari is joined by the staff and attendees of NEI's Professional Contemporary Animal Training and Management workshop to chat about the week, all while NEI's spin on "The Training Game" goes on in the background. Also, people try to guess the weight of Ari's microphone. Yeah, it's a weird one. Have a question or something you'd like us to discuss on the show? Email us at

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Episode 82: At 4 O'Clock, It's Different Soup (with...

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2021/11/04

Chris and Ari are joined by fellow NEI-er Ellen Matza to discuss the following training scenario: when you're working with an animal and you're not getting the behavior you're looking for, is it better to change one environmental variable at a time, or a bunch of stuff at once? Our answers will SHOCK you!* *Said absolutely no one who's heard us discuss anything training related, like, ever. Do you have a question for the show, or want to be a guest on a future episode? Let us know at

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01:24:14

Episode 81: It's All Real (with Dave O'Connell)

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2021/10/28

Ari is back and she's brought a guest, Bearizona Wildlife Park's own Dave O'Connell! Dave shares how he got into the field (thanks, Dave's mom!), the job he has now (which is actually all of the jobs), the first time he met with NEI in person (I got a sticker!), and his thoughts about what makes the staff, leadership, and guest experience at Bearizona so special (spoiler alert: it involves a certain infamous hand gesture!). Have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, or an interest in being a

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Episode 80: Career Ping Pong (with Sylvia Ronquillo)

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2021/10/21

They said it couldn't be done: a "Tales from the Trailer" episode that also has a cool guest who's not from NEI! Chris is joined by National Aviary Senior Aviculturist Sylvia Ronquillo to talk about Wagnerian opera, ping ponging across the country to pursue new career opportunities, navigating family members who initially aren't on board with "the animal thing," and ideas about things we could do differently in our facilities to make them more diverse and inclusive. Super great chat! Do you have a

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01:09:13

Episode 79: TEC Talk Live! (The Pilot Episode)

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2021/10/14

Two hosts is fun, but what if we just invited...everyone?!? This week's episode is a pilot for a concept we've been kicking around for awhile of opening up the show to anyone who wants to attend the live recording and add their thoughts and questions and talk about the emails we got in real time. We get into fun discussions of whiskey brands, how best to describe NEI's "training style," additional ideas for the zoo we built last week (see Episode 78 for more information), and kick around ideas for

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01:20:03

Episode 78: We Built a Zoo (with Adam Geltz)

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2021/10/07

Ari and Chris are joined once again by NEI Senior Trainer Adam Geltz to talk all things fishing, video games, instrumental hip hop, and laziness (which, it turns out, doesn't exist). After Adam shares a bit about the history that brought him to NEI, the three of us take turns contributing ideas to answer this question: if you could build a zoological institution that had anything you wanted, what would that look like? Turns out, we have some pretty good ideas that work really well together! Anyone

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Episode 77: How DO You Find "The One"?

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2021/09/30

Tales from the Trailer returns for the second week in a row! Ari and Chris speculate about the possible international names for koozies, take phone calls about refrigerator deliveries, do an amazing sales pitch for a book about zoo animal training (seriously, they should pay us), and respond to a listener question about how best to find out if a facility is a right fit for you before you start working there. Do you have a question or something you'd like us to discuss on the show? Well, you're in

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Episode 76: Retro Big Tex

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2021/09/23

Tales from the Trailer time! Chris and Ari take a break from shows to read your emails, which leads to a discussion about how we navigate "the calling" of working in a field that demands a lot of time and energy with being good partners to our awesome spouses. Bethany and Drew, this one's for you! Have a question or something you'd like us to discuss on the show? Email us at podcast@naturalencounters.com!

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01:40:40

Episode 75: Mistakes Were Made... (with Shari Stern)

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2021/09/16

Ari and Chris are joined by Shari Stern, Education Director for The Raptor Trust, to discuss dealing with mistakes: what we do when we make them, how to walk the line between taking responsibility and beating yourself up about it, how to set up systems so that mistakes aren't repeated by others, and how to help others when they're struggling with the fallout of their own mistakes. Huge thank you to Shari for emailing us about the topic - we liked it so much we brought her on the show so she could

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01:46:54

Episode 74: The Pitfalls of "Romanticizing Suffering"...

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2021/09/09

Ari and Chris are joined by NEI Senior Trainer Brad Moore to talk about fishing, his early love of "wed bwested wobbins," and his professional history and learnings as we do an unplanned deep dive into what we're calling "the romanticization of suffering," and the implications it has for sowing dissent, stunting growth, dividing teams, and contributing to a recent focus on workplace toxicity. Do you have a question you'd like us to tackle? Is there a topic you'd like to hear us discuss? Are you

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01:29:00

Episode 73: Of COURSE You Need Your Own Axe! (with...

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2021/09/02

Ari and Chris are joined by Mary Ewers Joyner, Avian Program Curator for Lorain County Metro Parks! Mary shares her history in the field and her facility's relationship with NEI, talks about her path towards being comfortable with becoming more than "just a naturalist," and dispenses some advice on what she thinks makes someone a successful consultant. Got a question for us? Is there something you'd like us to cover on a future episode? Wanna be cool like Mary and join us on the show? Bow to peer

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01:36:55

Episode 72: It's Just Good Humaning (with Amy Fennell)

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2021/08/26

Ari and Chris are joined once more by NEI Supervisor Amy Fennell to reflect on last week's episode about trust accounts (and to tell HER SIDE of the great "Dan and Amy Saga"), to update us on the progress being made in prepping for our big big show at the 2021 State Fair of Texas, and to join us for a much-belated round of listener feedback during Mail Time! Do YOU have something you'd like to ask us, or a topic you'd like us to discuss on the show? Please let us know at

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01:38:12

Episode 71: We Can Chew Ice, It's Fine (with Dan Blair)

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2021/08/19

Chris and Ari are reunited by the power of the internet, and they're joined by NEI Senior Trainer Dan Blair! Dan shares his history with NEI and how improv made him a better stage presenter before all three get into an in-depth discussion about trust accounts and their implications for animal training, human relationships, and taking responsibility for being a better person. Do you have any stories about how you've made deposits in a trust account to improve a strained relationship? Share your tips

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Episode 70: Parenting in the Pandemic's Second Wave...

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2021/08/12

Chris sits down with NEI Senior Trainer Lisa Haggadone to talk about her experience as an animal trainer AND mom during this wonderful second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic that we all find ourselves in. As kids go back to school in Central Florida this week, we talk about the trials and tribulations of classroom outbreaks, the delicate nature of dealing with vaccine hesitancy, balancing personal rights and community responsibilities, inconsistent messaging on guidelines from different levels of

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Episode 69: Anatomy of a Pilot Program (with Scott...

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2021/08/05

Hot on the heels of our show about "moving the needle" (see Episode 67), Chris sits down with NEI Supervisors Scott Trauger and Corey Derryberry to reflect on the creation, piloting, and evolution of the new "husbandry assistant" position at That Show at That Place that Can't Be Named. We discuss what it's like for them to be co-supervisors of the same work location, the importance of delegation and the "80% rule," and advice for those looking to have better relationships with their leaders. Have

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01:32:51

Episode 68: Board Pod! (with the IAATE Board)

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2021/07/29

Ari takes over hosting duties and is joined by the Board of IAATE! Cassie Malina, Helen Dishaw, Miguel Santos, and Steve Martin share their personal histories with IAATE, reflect on the way the organization has grown and evolved over the years, and share a little bit about "how the sausage is made" as they spill some of the deets on the upcoming 2022 conference. Not a member of IAATE? You should be! Get on that at www.iaate.org! Have a question, something you'd like to share, or a topic you'd like

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01:16:20

Episode 67: Begone, Comfort Zones!

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2021/07/22

Look everybody, I'm gonna need your help with this one. Chris here, recording solo in Arizona and reflecting on some ideas about the importance of getting outside your comfort zone for personal growth and to help "move the needle" for the field of professional animal care. I'm hoping to take some of these thoughts and collect them for an article I'm going to write for IAATE's quarterly publication, The Flyer. Self indulgent way to spend a podcast? Maybe. Great way to organize my thoughts and work

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Episode 66: Where Are My Invert Peeps??

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2021/07/15

Ari goes solo once more to reflect on her early training history with reptiles and encourages listeners to share the cool stuff they're doing these days training herps, fish, and inverts. After all, why should birds and mammals get to have all the fun? Got a cool training story to share, a question for the show, or want to audition to replace Chris as host every time he has to go out of town to places with bad wi-fi? Email us at podcast@naturalencounters.com!

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Episode 65: Meditations on Mediation

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2021/07/08

As they wait in their trailer to be pummeled by their daily afternoon thunderstorm, Ari and Chris sit down to discuss the topic of mediation. While we've spent a lot of time on this show talking about communication, relationships, and conflict management, this conversation focuses specifically on the role we sometimes take helping to facilitate solutions to issues between other parties. We explore the double-edged sword of empathy when you're trying to stay neutral, suggest some tips to give others

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Episode 64: Everyone Should Work Retail

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2021/07/01

Ari and Chris sit down to chat about the importance of being good partners with the other teams, departments, and organizations we collaborate with. They discuss the advantages of being a "yes culture," the role approachability plays in building strong professional relationships, and why working in customer service is the best training for being a good team member. To learn more about FYI: For Your Improvement, visit the Korn Ferry website here. Have a question or a topic for us to discuss on the

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