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Smoke "Em If You Got "Em Podcast

Smoke "Em If You Got "Em

a podcast from the outskirts of the zeitgeist smokeempodcast.substack.com

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30. Filling the Hole: Sex, Love and What Lies Beneath

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2022/08/21

“I Regret Being a Slut” is the provocative title of an essay published this week by writer and podcaster Bridget Phetasy, who writes, of her earlier sexual adventurism: “At the time, I would have told you I was ‘liberated’ even while I tried to drink away the sick feeling of rejection when my most recent hook-up didn’t call me back. At the time, I would have said one-night stands made me feel “emboldened.” But in reality, I was using sex like a drug; trying unsuccessfully to fill a hole inside me

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29: Tell Me More, Tell Me More edition: Life after...

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2022/08/13

We look at a post-Roe landscape, as Nancy talks about a recent reporting trip to Kansas to cover a surprising vote, where citizens affirmed the right for women to have access to legal abortion. Sarah updates us on what’s happening in Texas, including the rise of crisis pregnancy centers, how abortion providers might set sail on the “lawless oceans,” and a possible uptick in male vasectomies that makes her wonder: Will male contraception ever be a thing? They both discuss their mutual love of being

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28. The Things We Do For Love

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2022/08/04

“I don’t need any more reasons to hate the human race,” a friend said, about his aversion of watching the new Netflix series “The Most Hated Man on the Internet.” Is its subject, Hunter Moore, who revels in posting revenge porn and tweeting things like, “Fuck bitches, get money, do blow,” easy to hate? That would be a resounding yes. And yet, as Nancy and Sarah discuss, the internet of the aughts was like opening a door on a cyclone, the people who stepped inside often having no appreciation for how

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Down That Dark Passage: Kathyrn Miles of "TRAILED:...

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2022/08/01

As I wrote a few months ago, with regard to true crime books, "All stories are worth telling well, but especially the difficult ones, when we need the writer's assurance as we walk down the dark passage."As someone who occasionally takes on such stories, I'm interested in how and why other true crime writers approach the work. My lead-off interview is with Kathryn Miles, author of "TRAILED: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders," about the horrific unsolved 1996 murders of two young

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27. Trash-Talking the Boss (and Other Questionable...

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2022/07/29

A New Yorker employee slags the company for lack of diversity on Twitter, and things get messy from there. Nancy and Sarah try to untangle the strange case of Erin Overbey, who was fired by the magazine earlier this week, following accusations that editor-in-chief David Remnick inserted errors into her own work. Nancy looks at a few other recent cases where attempts to oust the higher-ups have backfired, and we talk about how so many attempts at instant justice turn into circular firing squads. Also

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26. Everybody’s Broken, Everyone’s Connected: It’s TV...

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2022/07/19

It’s mid-July. Sarah’s sizzling in the hell mouth that is Dallas, Nancy’s mired in NYC’s hot human grime, and both think it’s a really good idea to stay inside and watch some television. “The Bear” on FX/Hulu turns out to be the distraction they need, a high-octane but humane adventure set in a Chicago kitchen. Nancy is moved to tears by the sight of broken people trying to be better. Sarah gets sucked in by the characters learning from each other and finding self-respect in their work. And both

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25. Free Speech, Free Love

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2022/07/15

Does college need to be reimagined? A new experimental university committed to free speech called the University of Austin drew mockery on Twitter when it was first announced, but the place is no joke: The college got 3,500 inquiries from professors in its first week, and has since raised $100 million dollars. Nancy and Sarah can’t help feeling invigorated by this kind of innovation (even if Sarah is confused by the name, since it’s pretty close to her alma mater, the University of Texas at

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24. Let's Get Ready to Rumble

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2022/07/09

Are land acknowledgments meant to honor Indigenous people little more than feel-good gestures? Is wanting to be a TikTok star the impulse to be acknowledged? Nancy and Sarah discuss acknowledgement — Nancy acknowledges tying into her neighbor’s wifi! Sarah acknowledges the hotness of firemen! — and why Natives and the arts are getting buckets of it right now, and rightfully so, including for the TV series Reservation Dogs and the documentary Rumble: The Indians Who Rocked the World. Further

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23. The Lost Art of Forgiveness

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2022/07/03

Did forgiveness go out of style? Nancy and Sarah want to bring it back. We talk about a current vogue for vengeance in the “progressive id” and where it may have originated, plus our own stubborn belief that understanding is better than judgment. We turn toward the tricky politics of sex, including Biden’s new campus codes, which return us to a troubled era of Title IX tribunals stripped of due process that resulted in hundreds of (successful) law suits, and why one Title IX coordinator referred to

On Movie Stars and How I Got These Scars: An Audio...

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2022/06/28

Nancy here. After receiving a heartbroken text from Sarah a little ways back, I sent a pep-up message and a power pop playlist, which I made when writing the lead essay for Go All the Way: A Literary Appreciation of Power Pop. … and speaking of Bill Pullman, I cannot highly enough recommend his reading The One Inside by Sam Shepard, which is seriously transcendent. Here’s a sample:Also, this book cover? My god. … and speaking of Sam Shepard, I cannot highly enough recommend the Netflix series

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22. Roe v. the World

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2022/06/27

We knew it was coming, but the overturning of Roe v. Wade is still huge news, and sadly for Sarah, it’s too hot to smoke. (Pardon the coughing.) Let’s talk data: How do other countries handle abortion? Why wasn’t abortion codified into law during Obama’s presidency? What will a post-Roe America look like? And what’s going on with that bounty-hunting law in Texas? Now let’s talk complications: How can we support the choice to not have a baby without turning against motherhood, along with its

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21. The Destruction of Others

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2022/06/23

Did you know we’ve started “Smokeshow Specials” for subscribers to answer your burning questions? We’re just getting started. Sarah sings the praises of Nancy’s recent articles, which leads to a riff on dads and daughters at the movies, how to protect tender things, and the wisdom of Nancy’s late father-in-law’s M.O.: “Do it, then talk about it.” Our main course is a discussion of the controversial New York magazine cover story about a 17-year-old who shared a nude photo of his girlfriend and then

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AUDIO: The Agony and the Ecstasy of Depp v. Heard

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2022/06/21

For those of you who prefer to listen to your longform narratives, we offer this low-fi audio recording of the essay I wrote on the Depp-Heard trial, which you can read in full here. Please excuse my stumbles, occasional coughing, and the flip-flopping over the pronunciation of Harvey Weinstein. We’re learning as we go around here. — S.H. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

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19. The Celebrity Delusion

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2022/06/18

We start with a discussion of Sarah’s Depp-Heard opus, “The Agony and the Ecstasy of Depp v. Heard,” about which one reader on Twitter commented, “This is a Persian rug. It is exquisite, and among the finest things I've ever read. Sarah Hepola is what writers aspire to.” (See, Twitter can be nice too!) The story reminds Nancy (and readers) of what magazine writing can be, and why we will do more of it, and how you can make that happen …Oh look at that, the perfect moment to ask you to become a free

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Double Play: Sonmez Out at WaPo, Boudin Out as SF DA

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2022/06/14

Hello lovely Smoke ‘Em people, Nancy here with a newsletter/update-y thingy. It’s been a BIZZEE week (not to be confused with the greatly-named WaPo executive editor Sally Buzbee, who herself has a bizzee week last week, and more on that below) for the Smoke ‘Em gals. Sarah has been rassling a 10,000-word story about… wait for it… Depp-Heard, which that should be ready for you within the next 24 or so. And I’m just back in NYC after driving halfway across the country and staying in not one but two

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18. Prison of Our Own Making

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2022/06/11

Can we talk about that Deep End finale? The saga of Teal Swan comes to a riveting close, and we discuss a group therapy session turned exercise in projection, the moment Sarah found herself sad for Teal Swan, and how putting fish in a tank became haunting television. Teal is a woman who “buries herself in a prison of her own making.” It’s becoming a running theme. We turn to Felicia Sonmez, the controversial Washington Post reporter we spoke about in our last episode, who’s now been fired. Was this

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17. We Regret This Episode

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2022/06/07

Journalism is having a hell of a week. At least, the Washington Post is. Nancy and Sarah launch with the curious case of tech reporter Taylor Lorenz and her much-corrected story on social media influencers in the Depp-Heard trial. Discussed: Stealth editing, Twitter blocking, when journalists become the story. Then we turn to the saga of Dave Weigel, whose dumb joke (a retweet!) got him suspended for a month. Without pay. To unpack this drama, Nancy introduces us to the complicated character of

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16. Defamed

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2022/06/04

Nancy is reporting from San Francisco, because your roving journos go where the story leads, whether that’s a discount motel room in Fairfax, Virginia, or a 30-room mansion with a view of the Painted Ladies. First order of business is not The Verdict, but Teal Swan and recent episodes of Hulu series The Deep End, whose jaw-dropping scenes of alternate therapy have pushed Sarah from her neutrality. Embedding trauma in your lost followers is dangerous stuff. By the way, Sarah and Nancy agree you can

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15. Robert De Niro Is Sexy Full Stop

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2022/06/01

It’s the day after Memorial Day, and we reflect on our distance from military conflict and Sarah’s first podcast-related injury. After revealing our new summer looks (Nancy looks very Gwen Stefani in her lavender chiffon; Sarah’s wearing the same yellow housedress she has on every day, a la Jeff Goldblum in The Fly), we share notes on Ricky Gervais and Super Nature, comedy’s right to offend, and the concept of “punching down.” What depresses us about Depp-Heard: Nancy on fabricating abuse, Sarah on

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14. Bad Wives Club

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2022/05/28

After Sarah makes Nancy blush by talking about vibrators, we turn to the buzz that is Depp v. Heard. Kate Moss, TMZ leaks, potential ethical violations on the stand — the final days of testimony brought the bombshells. Lawyers: We have questions! Restraining order protocol? Can you talk to anyone about a trial when you’re on a jury? Tell us in the comments!About that Smoke ’Em merch …The real fireworks start when Sarah and Nancy discuss Teal Swan, the controversial spiritual leader Nancy calls a

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